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Kaci Hickox slams New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 27, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone, I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Andrea Tantaros and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

The nurse have been fighting against the forced quarantine in New Jersey was released today, and she was going home to May. The 33-year-old Kaci Hickox had been quarantined since Friday after landing in Newark airport from Sierra Leone. Here's Governor Chris Christie.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHRIS CHRISTIE, NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR: We're very happy that she was released from the hospital this morning, for they cannot release them for 24 hours, she tested negative for Ebola. There's no reason to keep her, the reason she was put in the hospital in the first place was because she was running a high fever and she was symptomatic, the minute she was no longer symptomatic, she was released. And that's a common sense approach that a federal government wasn't taking.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Hickox story said she was never sick. She says her treatment was inhumane and has threatened to sue.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KACI HICKOX, NURSE PLACED UNDER MANDATORY EBOLA QUARANTINE: We don't need politicians to make these kinds of decisions. We need public health experts to make this decision. I understand that people feel like they have a risk and I think we can have a conversation about what further measures might look like. But I think this is an extreme that is really unacceptable and I feel like my basic human rights have been violated.

(END OF VIDOE CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: A lot to discuss about this because people are having some strong opinions about her reaction, her statements and Eric, you're shaking your head.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yeah, because I live in New Jersey, I think Chris Christie had it right from the very beginning, she came back she exhibited symptoms, she threw fever, which she claims was a mistake, was misread. However, you're getting off a plane, you say you've exposed, you've been in the area that has exposure and then you have the fever, what else is someone supposed to do, I think they did the right thing. My concern is that Chris Christie backtracked after the feds said, "Don't do the quarantine." Meanwhile, everyone in New Jersey were like, "Hey, Christie good job." At least for now let's just see what is this first. Look, do we get into the debate, whether they -- we violate or he violated her civil liberties or not or is concerned about the public good, that's what to debate. But my concern with Christie is that he so quickly rolled, you know, within a day or so.

GUILFOYLE: Alright. So, Greg, do you see a lot big reason to be this upset and angry and wanting to sue everyone?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, I think this is an entirely new experience so that there's gonna be imperfections and flaws, you have a shacking of the public confidence, which creates a perception of increased risk, when the illusionist, it is an illusion, the virus has not changed at all, but the perception is past. So she has to understand that people are concerned, and that concern might say, why not volunteer for quarantine. The problem with the quarantine is it's bad, you got to make the quarantine awesome, you gonna make it fun. I quarantined myself for freshman year in college, in bed watching nothing but with soap operas. It get can be great.

GUILFOYLE: You think our lives.

GUTFELD: I think she has a legitimate beef (ph) about how she was quarantine. She's put into the tan with a toilet, you got to, you got to do better than that. Especially when she's coming back from a place where she save people's lives. You can't treat nurses like that and expect people to want to go there and save people's lives and stop an epidemic. However, you've got to create a structure to make it happen. But the real comedy in this is, having a president who hasn't managed a lemonade stand telling two governors to back off. One I think, I don't think it was Christie who caves, I thought it was Cuomo who caves. I got a hand for Christie for actually standing his ground. I don't think he cave.

BOLLING: Will he let her go.

GUILFOYLE: Andrea. GUTFELD: Yeah, but I mean after. I mean, he held her, when he found out there were no symptoms, I mean, she was fine.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: I mean, there's no question Cuomo caved first.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

TANTAROS: But Chris Christie said, "Look, she doesn't have a temperature, so we let her go, she's clear from Ebola." I also think probably politically Chris Christie was saying, "Good riddance, get out of my state."

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

TANTAROS: Because of this threat of the lawsuit which, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me, I mean she has a God given right to be free of inconvenience, but we don't have a God given right to be free from dying? And if you look at the history of the court, the Supreme Court had has ruled and appalled many quarantine. So unless she can prove that she was abused in this tent, I don't think she really has a case. I do agree with you Greg, the government spends exorbitant amount of money on crazy stuffs, shrimp on treadmill, then all these crazy studies. They could.

GUTFELD: Good (ph) job in May.

TANTAROS: Yes.

GUTFELD: OK.

(LAUGHTER)

TANTAROS: You look so good when you're doing it.

GUTFELD: No, thank you.

TANTAROS: It's worth the taxpayer dollars. But I just, I do think they could make it more of an incentive. I just don't get.

GUTFELD: yeah.

TANTAROS: The people that are contracting Ebola are people that are coming back from these regions, so for not quarantining them, then who else are we supposed to quarantine.

GUILFOYLE: Bob.

TANTAROS: Doesn't make a lot of sense.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: First thing that strikes me is that people will sue over anything. I mean, the idea of bringing somebody in to sue on this is ridiculous. But.

GUTFELD: So you've finally coming out against trial lawyers?

BECKEL: Listen, trial lawyers have always support by candidates and I like them, I would have candidates so we know (ph) but the other thing is somebody is not exactly -- how you can misread a temperature, I mean, of all the tests that you can take. The temperature.

GUILFOYLE: Temperature upset and flushed.

BECKEL: Upset and flushed? Well, I think in pretty -- if you look at she comes back from this area, she's got a temperature, why not? I mean.

GUILFOYLE: You know what though? I just feel like it. I get it, thank you for going over there and helping the people in West Africa and I hope the people continue to be that. You want a chilling effect on this, but at the same time, quit crying, and being like, why don't you act that you're a nurse, you're supposed to care, you put yourself you know, other people ahead of yourself, like why don't you just say, "OK, we're trying to perfect this, it wasn't exactly right", but come on, 21 days, you get your iPhone, you get food, it's not like the best situation ever, but, she's gonna get out, I don't know, I just think -- but you got to be concerned for the public safety.

GUTFELD: What we do, at least from what I can see when we watch shows like the Sopranos, whenever there is a criminal who's going to testify in court, they always put them in a nice hotel, she's not a -- she deserves something like that.

TANTAROS: Yeah.

GUTFELD: If they're coming back, there are not a lot of these doctors, we can afford to take care of them and put them in a nice place.

GUILFOYLE: Who's gonna take in the Four Season.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Great idea, it's just like a luxury Ebola place, so that they can go.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: No, they were talking about an aircraft carrier offshore, put patients in Ebola, what about the ones that aren't coming back that are doctors and nurses, what about the travelers that come back that have 103 fever, and then what does Chris Christie did the next time, does he say, "No, we're not allowed to quarantine because of the feds." There's a great discussion here whether, whether who has the jurisdiction. Kimberly, there's no -- look, there's no law that says it's the state's right to do this.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: And there's no law that says the feds have the ability to tell the states not to do it. It's a negotiated deal.

GUILFOYLE: You bring up a greet point because part of this connective, who's in charge, who's the boss, who's in charge of Ebola, should it be the states or should it be the federal government. Listen to this video sound from the White House.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(UNKNOWN):Doesn't that kind of create like a patch work of policies that can confuse the public and you don't have an overarching federal policy that rules?

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECREATRY: In two ways you can take this up with James Madison right? We have a federal system in this country in which states are given significant authority for governing their constituents. That is it's certainly true when it comes to public safety and public health.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Alright, do you have a point?

TANTAROS: Absolutely. He does have a point. I mean, look Chris Christie was right to do this, the governors have to act, because also not only are they constitutionally well within their rights, the federal government has failed. I mean President Obama waits to reacts to all of this different crisis and his nurse came out and she said, I mean, she just ripped Chris Christie, she said, "He has no medical experience." Look at the doctor that came back from New York, he has all the medical experience in the world and look how he screwed up the situation. So doesn't, we can't trust that they're going to self quarantine.

GUILFOYLE: No, and there still figuring it out.

BOLLING: I just pointed that Earnest literally just said, "Look at the founding fathers, the point was to send the responsibility to the states for the -- for the people in their states, for their health issues, and then, you know, at the same time, President Obama is telling Cuomo and Christie to avoid.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Wait. The worst thing about that is that when you're talking about quarantine, he said take it up with James Madison, well James Madison is dead.

(LAUGHTER)

BECKEL: This has Ebola (ph)

GUTFELD: Yes

BECKEL: Is it OK?

GUTFELD: Yes, in quarantine.

GUILFOYLE: He's gonna get a lawyer too, because he look at Bob, and even though the cornets (ph) has found the way.

BECKEL: I don't understand why in the world, to somebody they have a right, they have temperature and they're symptomatic, they don't have a right to burn around.

GUILFOYLE: That's right.

BECKEL: The patients should be put away, someplace until they prove that they don't have Ebola.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Why doesn't she, you know, chill out a second here and say, "You know what? This is a tremendous sacrifice and yes the suffering and it's bad what I'm having go through, but why not an abundance of caution? Make sure you're clear." That's all.

TANTAROS: But Kimberly, what due process rights are being stifled here? I'm not really sure, it doesn't make any sense. Because, due process doesn't work on the same timeline as Ebola either, we can't have the Ebola response tied up in the court. That would be a huge mistake.

GUILFOYLE: Give her a hearing after the 21 day period, I mean yeah.

BECKEL: Are you guys sure -- the government, either state or federal has the right to quarantine.

GUTFELD: Yeah they did worst.

TANTAROS: Absolutely.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: She's not going to get -- listen, there's no way, there's no ways she's gonna get any recovery from that.

TANTAROS: The Supreme Court has held a quarantine over and over, over again. She had to prove that she was grossly abuse, which she was not.

BOLLING: And she is going to be on some sort of quarantine --

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: That's went on chartered plane by somebody --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Far at less invasive quarantine, so that you can keep track the temperature couple times a day, versus keeping her in a plastic room, yes.

TANTAROS: And so what about being quarantine?

GUILFOYLE: What about the 5-year-old boy in the New York, it was also taking...

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: I mean you talked about the being quarantine in your apartment, popcorn.

GUTFELD: I did it, you got to make it right, because you can't, you don't want to persuade good people from doing good works, so you have to create a quarantine that when they come back, it's like something they do, and it's not something they have to hate and despites. But again, this is new, we haven't done this before, so we're figuring it out.

GUILFOYLE: Alright. So but don't you have to have a little bit of patience with that?

GUTFELD: Yes, absolutely.

GUILFOYLE: Especially when in you're the health care industry right?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: You know that I am a doctor.

GUILFOYLE: You play one on TV.

BECKEL: There was an outbreak of tuberculosis that starts a couple of years ago and I do quarantine people who have tuberculosis.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BECKEL: Because it spreads very quickly. The individual has it seems to me does not have the right to affect the whole.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Very selfish.

BOLLING: Yeah, selfish, is anyone concern that these are health care worker that are doing this? Of all the people that should be affected.

BECKEL: Know better.

GUILFOYLE: That's what I'm saying, yeah.

BOLLING: Those are the one that could be self-quarantined and letting people know where they have been and that they don't feel good.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Why don't you just do it? Like what you do it yourself and say, "Listen, I'm going to stay in my apartment and eat top ramen noodles or whatever, you got at home and protect other people." God forbid you give it to somebody else, wouldn't you feel bad?

GUTFELD: I think the medical, the people in the medical profession are confident enough to know when they're symptomatic versus when they aren't. However, there's an earthquake in public confidence. We don't believe in anybody. So we don't trust them.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: So that when the fellow goes out to bowl, it's because he feels fine, but we're saying, we don't trust them because we don't trust anybody else.

GUILFOYLE: But the onset is pretty aggressive and quick. Like you're bowling, you're bowl the best game of your life, the next day, morning you're man down.

BECKEL: What cup of noodles are you saying about?

GUILFOYLE: Top ramen. You can get them, they last for --

TANTAROS: I would love to see your, and your and your and your quarantine request less, not yours Bob that would be gross.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Well mine which spread a lot.

(LAUGHTER)

TANTAROS: You know what?

GUILFOYLE: Oh God.

TANTAROS: And it went going so well.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: Coming up, Hillary Clinton joins a you didn't build that bandwagon, she's got a lot of business owners and workers fired it up with some new remarks that essentially dismissed their contribution to our economy. That's next on The Five.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Welcome back. At this point, what does it matter? Strike one. When we left the White House we were broke, strike two. Behold Hillary Clinton, swing and a miss, strike three.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF STATE: Don't let anybody tell you that, we know, corporations and businesses that create jobs. You know that old theory, trickledown economics. That has been tried, that has failed. It has failed rather spectacularly.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Well, I guess Hillary doesn't believe businesses create jobs they just pay her speaking fees. Greg your thoughts on.

GUTFELD: She's a chalk board of fingernails. She's right though, businesses don't create jobs, it's the magical job fairy from Planet Kael (ph) By theory here is, did you listen to her delivery, she's exhausted, I mean, she seemed so tired, the whole appearance seemed kind of like she was out of it and she will didn't even know what she was saying.

GUILFOYLE: No, I thought that.

GUTFELD: I thought that, I thought it was a mess.

BOLLING: Or it is kind of an arrogance that was..

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: I think she was -- she was gone. I mean, because that was so lazy. It was the laziest I have ever seen her.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Can I throw in here, Bob.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: That she literally got so much heat, she tried to say that she left a few words out.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: Of that comment that would make it seem less ridiculous.

GUILFOYLE: I think at that point is to make she was struggling a little bit for her words or thoughts. I think she was tired, I think she no gas left in the tank.

BECKEL: Don't excuse that.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, hey, listen, the words and the contents are still there.

BECKEL: Yeah, you're saying of what she said. Let me repeat it from my standpoint, corporations and businesses do not create jobs.

BOLLING: How would they?

BECKEL: It is the consumers who create jobs.

BOLLING: Oh I see.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: The consumer doesn't go out and buy --

BOLLING: What do they buy there Bobby?

GUILFOYLE: Who does?

BOLLING: They buy products right?

BECKEL: Yeah.

BOLLING: Who makes the products?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Remember the consumers created the iPod. Remember when the consumers created the iPod and then the iPod just magically appeared.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Can you remember when the consumers.

BECKEL: The consumers hadn't bought the iPod, it would have failed.

TANTAROS: And they're going to create the Ebola vaccine too, the consumers.

GUILFOYLE: Does that make any sense to anyone that just paid off.

(CROSSTALK) GUTFELD: Here's the point, I love it though.

BOLLING: Bob, you're defending a comment that she said she made in error.

(LAUGHTER)

BECKEL: It doesn't matter, if she said that in error, I don't --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: She's wrong.

BOLLING: OK.

BECKEL: Businesses and corporations do not create jobs.

BOLLING: Take the part the original comment, your thoughts on this.

TANTAROS: Well, I don't think her being exhausted and her being a progressive at her core are mutually exclusive thing.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

TANTAROS: I think she's hired. I think a lot of people think that she's out of it, but Hillary Clinton is the mother goose of progressivism, and she's laid eggs all the over the place including (inaudible) over here. I don't think, this is the way she really feels, I don't think she opens her mouth without speaking to her husband and I do think that this was a calculated political move for her to outflank Elizabeth Warren on the left in the state of Massachusetts.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Do you think corporation.

TANTAROS: But she delivered it exhausted.

BECKEL: Together and say, we gonna create jobs.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: They hire employees, that's a job --

BECKEL: Because the consumer just demands, that's why they hire employees.

TANTAROS: Oh I think you Bob.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: Listen, just about a week ago the Republicans -- five point lead, listen to this Bob, five point lead by a week ago, among likely voters, on the question which party should control the Senate according to NBC Wall Street Journal Paul. Today, just a week later, that margin has more than doubled to 11 points, some very good news for the Republicans, now checkout DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz desperate attempt to paint the GOP scary then -- just watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(UNKNOWN): We have heard this in previous elections, too extreme, too extreme, tea party, we can't work them, so it seems that the Democrats overall message is, yeah, ISIS is scary, yeah, Ebola is scary, but Republicans are a lot scarier.

DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, DNC CHAIRWOMAN: Well, that's right.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Are we gonna expand that a little bit. Bob, first of all, can you hit on that poll.

BECKEL: Yeah.

BOLLING: That's a big, big, wide margin.

BECKEL: Yeah it is. BOLLING: With 11 points with the weekend and a day to go.

BECKEL: Yeah, I look at the -- they had that on the web page of the entire Charles (ph) gonna say. This poll shows a lot likely voters are much bigger share of Republicans than is reflective of the electorate, which is why it is at that margin now. It's back to the fundamental basis that the Democrats don't turn out then they're gonna being beat.

BOLLING: Please, you're not taking the place (ph) out of the polls, saying that it's more.

BECKEL: No, I'm not taking, why I'm taking.

BOLLING: More heavily polled by number of Republicans.

BECKEL: I said like voters, when you ask likely voters.

BOLLING: Likely voters, I know.

BECKEL: Yeah that's right. So there are more Republican likely voters than there normally is, because they've gone out and vote.

BOLLING: I think you said people that were polled. This was polled among likely voters they didn't over poll Republicans in the polls.

BECKEL: No, no, when they asked for likely voters, you're going to get a larger percentage of people who are gonna to be at the polls.

GUTFELD: Some argue (ph) we are polls.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Let's take around this table, K.G., your thoughts on Debbie Wasserman saying, "GOP is scared in ISIS and Ebola."

GUILFOYLE: I mean, when she did out of the job. I mean hello? Tic Tack Tuesday after then, I mean she's not helpful. She's actually helping the Republicans more than she's helping the Democrats at this point and the Clintons don't like her either. So I hope she's got another job lined up.

GUTFELD: But wait a second. This -- all it proves is that she's watching cashing in.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: Saturday you said that, liberalism was a cancer.

BOLLING: You watched?

GUTFELD: Yes, I did.

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Look how happy he is.

BOLLING: We buried the lead.

BECKEL: Is that what you say.

BOLLING: You watched?

GUTFELD: Yes. She just stole your thunder.

BOLLING: She did.

GUTFELD: She stole your thunder.

BECKEL: Was it cancer?

BOLLING: Instead it was a cancer spreading all across the constitution intimate (ph)

GUILFOYLE: I mean her rhetoric is so inflammatory that.

TANTAROS: I mean, she will the things think that voters, I don't understand.

(LAUGHTER)

TANTAROS: I get it, I get it. She's trying to begin (ph) up the voter that make sense, but does anyone really agree with that? I mean, if you're a voter, do you say, "Yes, yeah" after you're watching the beheading videos and watching people that have Ebola you go, "Yes, the GOP is scarier" and it's a little embarrassing that they can't find --.

GUTFELD: But that's what we vote do.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: And nobody takes it seriously. It's hyperbole, it's fun, it's a joke.

BOLLING: Greg, I was very serious about.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: It's about Obama or not.

BECKEL: And you're saying you guys are bashers (ph)

BOLLING: Debbie Wasserman Schultz is all over the map on the one. Listen.

(BEGIN OF VIDEO CLIP)

(UNKNOWN): Is this election about President Obama's policies?

SCHULTZ: This election is about making sure that we elect a Congress that will focus on the priorities that people care about the most.

(UNKNOWN): What's on the ballot, are they the president's policy?

(UNKNOWN): Are they the president's policies or not, our president's policies on the ballot?

SCHULTZ: Maybe you should let candy ask me the questions rather than you.

(CROSSTALK)

(UNKNOWN): Are the president's policies on the ballot, yes or no (END OF VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: I'm surprised she didn't say Obama who? And then she said, "I can't hear you my earpiece isn't working." President Obama said himself that his agenda.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

TANTAROS: Was on the ballot this year, so he's contradicted Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Of course, you look at his races, you've got in Colorado, the failure of the war on women, you've got in Louisiana they're taking about energy (ph) Maryland who's running away. National security in New Hampshire, Jeanne Shaheen is running away. His agenda is on every single state's ballot for different reasons and it's held the story of the entire midterm.

BECKEL: That's go shock, is it -- why anybody could just assume that it wouldn't be a reflection of what his position in this country, that what more people are voting, the Republicans. But having said that, I'm going to be a little country, you guys got to be a little careful about counting your votes by now. You got a week to go, unpredicted that to tell it shrunk down.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Wait, wait, wait, we just saw a poll doubling in the margin.

BECKEL: No, no, I'm talking about.

TANTAROS: Individual state rate.

BECKEL: I will tell you the two Republicans that are going to be knocked off I think for sure.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: The only way you guys can get closer is by continuing to abandon your beliefs and abandon your leader who pushed that agenda. That's the only way you can close the gap. The Democratic Party is a wolf in a sheep's pan suit.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: They're there, they're stuck, what are you gonna do, say no?

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Alright, we're going to leave it right there. The government, politicians and others have blamed terror attacks in the U.S. and Canada on Lone wolves, but is that really the right label for these terrorists? Are they Lone wolves or they are not.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: On the heels or recent terror attacks, we now see the rise of a certain phrase.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(UNKNOWN): The kind of Lone Wolf Act of terrorism that which have been talking about.

(UNKNOWN): Maybe they're lone wolves and maybe they didn't have friends.

(UNKNOWN): We are well aware of the request that went out by ISIS for homegrown terrorists, Lone wolf terrorists to carry out attacks.

(UNKNOWN): How ready is New York City and America for these apparent Lone wolf attacks?

(UNKNOWN): Muslim extremists are really firing up this Lone wolf phenomenon.

(UNKNOWN): The president has identified the risk of a Lone wolf terrorist as something that is significant.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: And now Lone wolf is not only an inaccurate description, it's also a harmful one because it sounds cool. Seriously, Lone wolf could be the name of an edgy cop (ph) show from the 1980's, one star at jam (ph) Michael Vincent before the downslide. Lone wolf is about an ex-mercenary out to settle a score, always outside the law and usually on after MacGyver. But in reality these speeds aren't Lone wolf, for that's suggest independent thinking. These ghouls are simply bitter sheep and they grip of a death cult. Even more a kind of lone wolves (inaudible) their act from the murderous ideology behind it, making it increasingly difficult to identify evil as it grows. Tonight, a league in your less likely to catch early on and crash it, it's like monitoring health symptoms. Assuming their rise for no reason and prevent you from actually seeing the disease. You don't call Ebola a string of unrelated incidents of vomiting. So let's pre pre-brand this evil, no more Lone wolf, call them something else: creeps, tools, cowards, thieves, Islamic radicals. But whatever you do don't call them criminals, because criminals wish to survive their crimes. These maggots don't. They want to die with others, for the pain inflicted is their only achievement, which makes them closer to worms than wolves.

GUILFOYLE: That's true.

GUTFELD: Eric, what should we call them?

BOLLING: Well, I think you hit it on the head: radical Islamists. The problem with what people are doing, what politicians are doing is they're calling them lone wolves, because that forces them -- or that avoids them having to say radical Islam. As we well know, that's not politically correct, because you become an Islamophobe if you call terrorists -- a terrorist, especially if you came with the word "Islam" in there in any way, shape, or form.

You're right. Radical Islamists, that's what they are.

GUTFELD: I think we should say it like this, Andrea: I-slam terrorists. Instead of Islam terrorists. I-slam.

GUILFOYLE: Like a dash?

TANTAROS: Do we get to slam them, though?

GUTFELD: I guess.

TANTAROS: I've volunteered many times.

GUTFELD: I bet you have. Do you think characterizing terrorists as one ops prevents the linkage to bigger threats behind it?

TANTAROS: I do. And I think that they're -- they like to use the word -- and I say "they" meaning the administration and, I think, the media, the mainstream media -- and the left like to use the world, because then, as you point out, they don't have to talk about the ideology behind all of it.

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: And then they don't have to categorize it as terrorism. And then they can use the term self-radicalized when we're learning most of these guys aren't self-radicalized. They're being reached through the Internet. And so it allows them to mischaracterize the threat.

And again, the longer we mischaracterize it, we're never going to be able to defeat it.

GUTFELD: Bob, does what we call things matter?

BECKEL: No. I mean, look, these people -- they're radical Islamists. That's fine. What they are is crazy.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: And what they've done is got caught up in this cult, and they're following these boys. I agree with that. And there's the Internet. But these guys...

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Wait a second. Could I -- could I answer this?

TANTAROS: Yes.

BECKEL: Thank you. The fact of the matter is, if we called them anything we want, you still have it. I mean, the idea that somehow we change our voices and these guys are going to stop?

TANTAROS: But it does matter when you call them, because when you say crazies that are part of a cult, you think of the Davidian compound.

BECKEL: That's what I think about them.

TANTAROS: No, because then it allows us to get off the discussion of radical Islam and why it's been around for hundreds of years and what we can do to defeat it.

BECKEL: Right. But these guys have dissociated themselves with -- they're not part of that group.

GUILFOYLE: You're giving them, like, a mental illness, Bob. To say, "Oh, they don't know what they're doing."

BECKEL: You don't think they've got a mental illness?

GUILFOYLE: You know what? I think they're criminals; they have criminal records. They have welcomed jihad into their life. And that's why the lone wolf term is really misleading, because wolves are highly creative intelligent creatures that rarely hunt alone.

All of these individuals have been inspired and radicalized by groups. Whether it's the Muslim Brothers, whether it's Antal (ph) Weiner; whether it's A.Q.; whether it's ISIS, whatever it is, they have found some connection that they want it to carry out.

So here's the problem. We take the pass for it. You can't travel. Guess what? They're going to do it here. So they have to do something about this flaw in the system.

BECKEL: People are saying...

TANTAROS: You imagine if we keep calling them crazy, it's going to be a mental health issue, you should put them into some kind of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" treatment. Maybe we can talk them out of terrorism. It's that, like, liberal B.S. we hear.

BECKEL: Oh, come on. Get out of here.

TANTAROS: It is. It is.

BECKEL: You guys keep talking about all this ad the things that are going on. What are you going to do? Go around and pick up everyone? How do you know who's what?

GUILFOYLE: They're going to quarantine them.

BECKEL: How? How are you going to do it. Get everybody who says they're a radical Muslim and lock them up?

GUILFOYLE: The point is they should be keeping a very close eye on these people, that they revoke their passports. Look what happened in Canada. These guys, they want to go over to Syria, and they want to join us, "Let them go."

BECKEL: These guys won't -- passports revoked.

GUILFOYLE: You keep them here, and they're like stirring the pot. The pot boils over like here I'm going to go and get a hatchet and attack a cop in the head.

BECKEL: But these guys' passports were not revoked. They were just...

GUTFELD: One of them was. Another guy was denied his. Denied a passport.

TANTAROS: If they're crazy, they didn't go and shoot this guy that the hatchet killer, they say, "Well, don't hurt him because he's crazy.

And they're already taking away rights of cops for stop and frisks, surveilling mosques.

BECKEL: You don't think that guy was crazy with a hatchet?

GUTFELD: Bob, I don't think -- no. You're playing a different game. You're saying -- you're just labeling them as crazy.

BECKEL: I call them Islamic terrorist crazy.

GUILFOYLE: And who's evil, then, Bob?

BECKEL: They're evil, and sometime you're evil to me.

GUILFOYLE: No.

GUTFELD: On that note. All right, ahead, because someone asked for it, KISS rocker Gene Simmons has some advice for women. Don't depend on men, he says, when "The Five" returns.

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TANTAROS: Well, KISS front man Gene Simmons had some advice for women, on my web show on FOXNews.com that some have found a bit controversial. His message, you can't assume a man is going to be there to support you.

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GENE SIMMONS, LEAD SINGER, KISS: Women, stop depending on men. Imagine there are no men in life. Go out there and make as much money can you can, find out that thing that you're good for that makes the money, and then get married and/or have children from a position of strength.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: All right. So some are calling his remarks sexist, despite the fact that he's really calling for female empowerment. I mean, that's exactly the way I took it, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: What? I don't get -- how is this sexist at all? I mean, this is like my playbook, you know? Why wouldn't you operate from a position of strength. Don't rely on a man. Women don't have to. I agree with him. They're smart. They have ideas for businesses. They have ways to make money. Like you don't need to always think that the easy lay-up is "Oh, I'll get a guy" and then that's it. Get a guy because you want to be a team with him and you want to do great things and have great conversation and other things.

TANTAROS: He's basically, Eric, saying that it's an insurance policy, because he expanded longer in the interview, saying look, guys are dogs. Things don't work out. Life is not a fairy tale. And he said men predominantly may run out on you, so what you should do is build your career first, so that if they do, you're OK if that happens. What's wrong with that?

BOLLING: I think you're both right that there's nothing wrong with what he was saying, and I guess the people that are calling him sexist is because of the fact that he's a male saying it and it's not coming from a female.

TANTAROS: Ah, Beyonce or Jennifer Anniston can do it, but...

BOLLING: Exactly.

TANTAROS: ... Gene Simmons can't. OK.

BOLLING: That's my guess. But by the way, I do agree with both you and Gene Simmons.

BECKEL: My wife ran out on me, so she ran out. It's a good, wise decision on her part.

I think he's exactly right, men are -- you can't depend on them. Why they do that, I don't know. That's a perfectly legitimate thing he said.

TANTAROS: Well, actually, Greg, when you look at some of the feminist blogs, that's exactly what they're saying: "How could he do this? This is sexist." But he's saying what so many women in pop culture have said, as well. Just earn some money in case the worst happens.

GUTFELD: And he said it wearing Mary Tyler Moore's wig, which I thought was really kind of inspirational.

But I'm wondering who is he's talking to. I don't know any women in my life who are depending on man.

BECKEL: On you, maybe.

GUTFELD; A lot of women depend on government. That's a bigger issue than depending on men. And he should...

GUILFOYLE: He's saying both, maybe.

GUTFELD: Yes. I would adjust it to say women should stop, like, looking for success in like, do not take college courses on identity politics or gender, because that's not a career; that's an escape. You'll end up becoming a feminist blogger.

TANTAROS: Well, then he also went on, Kimberly, to say that women are the backbone of the family, so he's heaping all this praise on females but yet, still you see feminists take issue with it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GENE SIMMONS, ROCK STAR: Men are arrogant. We think we're vulnerable, look, and women look up to us. We're the strong -- we're the backbone of the family. No, we're not. Women are the backbone of the family.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: All right. What's wrong with that?

GUILFOYLE: I think he's right. I mean, when you look in terms of buying power, women making decisions, to buy cars, to buy homes, where to live, let's be honest. They dictate a lot of the choices and are in charge of many of the financial decisions. He's right about that.

And just to go back to what he was saying before, why not have a woman be in a position of strength so she never has to stay in a relationship that's not healthy or abusive because she's not financially empowered? You always have to protect yourself and look out for yourself.

TANTAROS: I mean, Eric, I told him that I felt like I had followed, I mean, as Kimberly said, that playbook. Right? You build a career first. You have the money, and then you can settle on relationships second. He says relationship second, career first.

BOLLING: His point about the -- women are the backbone, a family, it's not a unicycle. It's not one wheel, it's two. It's a bicycle. Both -- you have to have both. I agree. You both have roles. Sometimes they -- they overlap or they switch.

GUILFOYLE: They blend.

BOLLING: Which is fine, but you need both -- both inputs, so to speak.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Bob, what's so funny?

BECKEL: (AUDIO GAP) bones of the family, I find that very humorous.

TANTAROS: Why? What's so humorous about it?

BECKEL: Because I don't believe it.

TANTAROS: Who do you think -- you think men are the backbone of the family?

BECKEL: No. I think the family unit is the backbone. I don't think the women are.

TANTAROS: OK. Then why is he getting heat from feminists for what he said?

BECKEL: I have no idea. First of all, look at the guy, what's -- what is he espousing all this stuff from? The guy looks like he got out of a bad freak show.

GUILFOYLE: He's actually highly intelligent.

BECKEL: Well, he seemed intelligent, yes. He's the backbone of the family.

GUILFOYLE: He's got a great book out. He's been very successful, and he worked as a teacher, as well.

BECKEL: That's good. Why don't you go visit with him?

BOLLING: You know, you could -- you could ask him who's the backbone of KISS, and I guarantee you he wouldn't say he was. He would say, "We all are. We need the drummer. We need the lead guitarist. We need my vocals. We need everybody," right?

GUTFELD: You know what? The fact is men and women offer different roles. Men live -- I guess women outlive men by about, what, 5 percent to 7 percent, is that it? And that gap is growing wider. We talk about the wage gap, but we don't talk about the age gap. Men are dying sooner than women are, and it's because oftentimes we take more risks to build a career. We -- you know, we build the bridges that we end up falling off of, you know, 27 to 30 people died building the Brooklyn Bridge.

So there are -- there are sacrifices made by both sexes. We are different. Embrace the differences.

BECKEL: The only...

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GUILFOYLE: Sounds like you should get a younger husband.

TANTAROS: Well, he's saying don't get married -- he's saying don't get married early, because men aren't ready to be married early. You should wait, and then while you're waiting, girls, for men to mature, you can build your career.

GUTFELD: Yes, except, though -- and this is the problem, and a rock star knows this -- that he's dates younger women. So if he's telling women to put off dating or marriage for a career, he would be the type of person who wouldn't date you. He would date the younger person. So it's a bit of a hypocritical argument.

TANTAROS: Well, he's very lucky because Shannon Tweed, an ex-Playmate, stayed with him for 28 years, amid his boozing and womanizing, and not a lot of women would have put up with that. So I told him, I go, "You're kind of the exception here, because most women would have been gone."

GUILFOYLE: Right, 28 years.

TANTAROS: All right. Next, Jeb Bush's son drops a big hint on whether his dad is going to run for the White House, and Bob will tell you why Jeb scares him the most out of any potential presidential candidate. Stay tuned.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: ... come up with that.

BECKEL: You've been wondering if another Bush is going to run for the White House? This is as close as you've gotten so far to an answer. Here's Jeb Bush's son, George P.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is your dad going to run for president?

GEORGE P. BUSH, JEB BUSH'S SON: I think he's still assessing it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think it's more than 50 percent or less than 50 percent?

BUSH: I think it's more than likely that he's giving this serious thought and moving forward.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More likely that he'll run?

BUSH: That he'll run. If you had asked me a few years back, I would have said it was less likely.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So the family will be behind him 100 percent?

BUSH: The family will be behind him 100 percent if he decides to do it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: That's what you call in politics a big trial balloon, coming from a member of the family. I mean, obviously, Bush is inclined to run. He probably should; it's a weak Republican field. What do you think?

BOLLING: I don't agree it's a weak Republican field. I think he will have a bit of a tough time in the primaries because of his stance on common core. That's the one thing that people are really fired up. And it's not just a casual backing of common core. It's an outright full-throated defense of common core. Try it again.

Immigration, is going to have a hard time. Remember he said "act of love."

And then he really kind of -- there's a piece of video that came out or audio that came out about two or three weeks ago, and in it, he talked about a 10-for-1 split deficit reduction tax increase. And that -- he said he would be in favor of that. He's the only Republican who's ever said that he would be in favor of this. And that kicked off Grover Norquist. He's -- he's going to have a hard time.

BECKEL: Before I let you get away with that, could you tell me what the strong Republican field is? Just out of curiosity.

BOLLING: Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Chris Christie...

BECKEL: I'm for you.

BOLLING: ... Marco Rubio. Scott Walker.

BECKEL: Those first two ought to be a ticket.

BOLLING: What?

BECKEL: They ought to be a ticket, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. I think that would be perfect.

TANTAROS: Bob -- bob, Eric makes a really good point about trying to get through a Republican primary.

BECKEL: Absolutely.

TANTAROS: Because you're going to hit him on the compassionate conservatism, which has led to a lot of big government spending. Open borders, he's going to get crushed on that. Eric's right about common core. And his last name is Bush. And I think there's Bush fatigue, period.

BECKEL: Well -- Greg, what do you think?

GUTFELD: Well, before you go after last names, remember what Rand's last name is. So this -- that criticism to me is one-dimensional. When you have a big primary fight...

TANTAROS: But his dad wasn't president.

GUTFELD: Yes. But, you know, Ron Paul.

GUILFOYLE: Cried a lot (ph).

GUTFELD: You've got to look at the people, the other people in the race, what kind of vision they have, what kind of policies they recommend, how they treat people, do they have a solid set of convictions. I think Bush is a good guy, but I would like to see something different than what happened in the previous -- the previous round, where you have kind of a police line of people all really angling for talk shows.

I want people who are really serious, who have stature, who have wit, who have a will, who are charming, who are charismatic. I know it's not going to happen. It's never going to happen.

TANTAROS: Miracles, Greg? I mean...

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: What I'm saying is -- we should have our Obama. The Republican conservative libertarians should find their Obama.

BECKEL: You see anybody in the Republican field...

GUILFOYLE: Look, I believe in individually. If I had a last name where several people in my family had run -- or ran for president and won, I would still want to be considered on my own merit. There are some issues that he has to deal with, like common core, but that's an evolution. I think that his heart's in the right place where education is concerned, and I think we can learn from this to move forward.

I'd like someone on the Republican side that actually can win, besides just the nomination but in the actual election.

GUTFELD: Nice, yes.

GUILFOYLE: And the problem is that we've seen the reflections of the past, it didn't work so well. So if that's the case, and if there's somebody who I do believe it does help with the Hispanic vote. I think he's somebody that understands minority communities. As a Hispanic woman, I like that. I think he's smart. I think that his -- he's got a tremendous amount of abilities. So I'd like to see him run, if that's what he wants to do.

BECKEL: Let me throw a Democrat's two cents is. The reason he worries me is I think Republicans are tired of being out. And so there's going to be more pragmatic voting, one. Two, Iowa is going to be a very crowded field. A guy like Bush could come up to the middle of that.

BOLLING: Bush wouldn't get out of Iowa.

BECKEL: Sure he would.

BOLLING: Bush...

BECKEL: Who, are you kidding me?

BOLLING: Bush wouldn't get Iowa.

BECKEL: You can say that but...

BOLLING: He may win the nomination, but it wouldn't be because of Iowa.

BECKEL: No. He will get through Iowa. He'll get through New Hampshire.

GUTFELD: Wow.

BECKEL: Listen, this is a guy who feels, as Kimberly said...

BOLLING: With amnesty, common core and taxes?

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: ... and win Florida.

TANTAROS: We're talking general elections versus primary elections. There, he'd be a lot stronger.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BECKEL: I can give you a primary example of why he will get the nomination, without having to move too far off.

GUILFOYLE: Why?

BECKEL: Because these guys want to win, and he can win in a crowded field.

GUILFOYLE: That's what I'm saying. The only thing is he would have to deal with...

BECKEL: All right. "One More Thing" -- sorry.

GUILFOYLE: ... the issues for the Republicans on the right.

BECKEL: "One More Thing" is up next, but Teddy and Rand, please run.

GUILFOYLE: Bush versus the Clintons!

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: Time now for "One More Thing," Greg, if you got it.

GUTFELD: I got it. It's time for...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: "Greg's Secrets to Happiness."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Copyrighted by Greg Gutfeld, 2014.

Secret to happiness, how do you become happy? Through the pursuit of achievement. How is it pursued, executed through perseverance, pure and simple.

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GUTFELD: Here we go.

GUILFOYLE: I hope he gets it.

GUTFELD: See, he never gave up.

BECKEL: Like the Republicans trying to win the White House.

GUTFELD: And he got what he wanted, and that's the secret to happiness.

GUILFOYLE: That's actually one of your best ones.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

BOLLING: Why is the announcer copyrighted 2014?

GUTFELD: I don't want anybody to steal it.

GUILFOYLE: OK. No one can do it quite like that. Andrea.

TANTAROS: OK. We know it's bad when President Obama tries to claim Ebola as his best accomplishment, or at least that's what they did on "Saturday Night Live." Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAY PHAROAH, CAST MEMBER, NBC'S "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE": It's true. We made a few mistakes early on, but I assure you, it was nowhere near as bad as how we handled the ISIS situation, our various Secret Service mishaps, all the scandals of the IRS and the NSA. And I don't know if you guys remember, but the Obamacare website had some pretty serious problems, too.

In fact, if you look at all the stuff that's happened my second term, this whole Ebola thing is probably one of my greatest accomplishments.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: That was very cute. Bob.

BECKEL: The -- today and tomorrow and Wednesday, I'm going to give you my predictions for the Senate today, the House tomorrow and the governorships on Wednesday. There's something happening in the Senate campaign. And these people who have no experience here are making fun of me. OK. These three...

GUILFOYLE: I'm excited.

BECKEL: These three women, I think, have changed the tide of this race for the Senate. I think that there's a very real possibility the three of them could win, which would be one seat away from the Republicans. The other thing that's happening that could be a seat away from Kansas. And that means that if the Republicans are going to take over the Senate, they're going to have to take every one of the targeted races. If these three women win.

GUILFOYLE: And now you're...

BECKEL: I have 53. I've got about 51 now.

GUILFOYLE: Like I told you, three or four seats.

OK. This is a great one. San Francisco Giants, bring it home, baby. Steve Perry loves his Giants. He's been a season ticketholder, and he's been singing at the games. Take a listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(MUSIC: When the lights go down in the city and the sun shines on the bay..._

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: OK, so he's been lip syncing the words and putting on a performance every night. I don't know. He can't go to Kansas City, though, because game six is tomorrow night for the Royals. Very exciting.

BOLLING: That's right. They can clinch it right there.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling.

BOLLING: Very quickly, so I was going to do the thing where the Staind singer kind of screwed up the national -- "Star-Spangled Banner," didn't do that. Instead I bumped into my neighbor, Wendy Williams, downstairs in the newsroom last...

GUILFOYLE: Look at that.

BOLLING: ... this afternoon.

GUILFOYLE: How cute.

BOLLING: Just thought I'd do that.

BECKEL: Everyone loves that. That's your "One More Thing?"

BOLLING: That's my "One More Thing."

TANTAROS: Your neighbor.

GUILFOYLE: All right. That was a good one. So was the show. Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" -- you know it -- is next.

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