How radical Islam has recently impacted America
Military specialists Dr. Sebastian Gorka and Joshua Katz react on 'Hannity'
This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," January 14, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
SEAN HANNITY, HOST: Welcome to this special edition of "Hannity: Islamists Among Us."
Now, tonight, with radical Islam spreading around the world, we'll examine in detail the threat that jihadists could pose to our homeland. Now, yesterday, ISIS claimed responsibility for the devastating terror attacks that rocked Jakarta -- that's the capital of Indonesia -- and yesterday, Iran released a humiliating video showing its navy capturing 10 U.S. sailors in the Persian Gulf. Now, the sailors were released less than a day after being captured, but not before Iran took a video of a U.S. Navy lieutenant apologizing to the rogue regime.
Right now, the same Islamic extremists who are wreaking havoc across the world are now living among you, the American people. First, let's take a look back at how radical Islamists have recently impacted us right here in the U.S. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have someone attacking someone in the building.
HANNITY: Terror in the heartland! The FBI is investigating a brutal beheading in Moore, Oklahoma, after the suspect's co-workers revealed that he had been trying to convert them to Islam.
The NYPD at this very hour is investigating a possible terror connection to an axe attack that targeted police officers in New York City earlier today.
Two radical Islamists who opened fire at an event in Texas.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One Garland police officer and one Garland ISD security officer were confronted by two suspects armed with assault rifles.
HANNITY: The man opened fire at two military facilities in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At this time, we're treating him as a home-grown violent extremist.
HANNITY: The FBI will not rule out terrorism as a possible motive in today's deadly shooting rampage in San Bernardino, California.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm shot! I'm bleeding heavily!
HANNITY: The attempted execution of a Philadelphia police officer allegedly done in the name of Islam.
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HANNITY: All right, couldn't be more clear. Radical Islamists are now living among us. Take a look at this map. Now, since 2014, America has suffered numerous terrorist attacks right here in the homeland. And that's not all. In 2015 alone, 60 people living in America have now been arrested and charged with crimes linked to ISIS.
Joining us now with reaction, the distinguished chair of military theory at Marine Corps University Dr. Sebastian Gorka, and former CIA operations officer Joshua Katz.
Mr. Gorka, let's go -- let's start with you. It is more severe than, obviously, Obama wants to recognize, but it's now infiltrating the United States, Western Europe, and pretty much the entire world. We see the sphere of influence. Your reaction.
SEBASTIAN GORKA, MARINE CORPS UNIVERSITY: Absolutely. There's one reality, Sean, the reality of people being massacred at Christmas parties in California, being blown up on the streets of Turkey or Jakarta, and then there's this bubble, this fantasyland that the administration lives in, in which ISIS is contained, they're losing, we're winning, and these things really don't matter and let's have some more gun control in America.
HANNITY: Yes. Let me play for both of you former CIA director Mike Morell saying that ISIS has gained ground faster than al Qaeda in a huge way, and James Comey, the FBI director, pointing out there are ISIS investigations right in all 50 states. Watch this.
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MIKE MORELL, FMR. ACTING CIA DIRECTOR: ISIS has gained affiliates faster than al Qaeda ever did. From nothing a year ago, there are now militant groups in nearly 20 countries that have sworn allegiance to ISIS.
They have conducted attacks that have already killed Americans, and they carry the potential to themselves grab large amounts of territory. Libya is a place where this could happen in the near term. ISIS controls territory in Libya. They are currently expanding that territory. I would not be surprised if we woke up one morning and ISIS in Libya had grabbed a large part of Libyan territory.
JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: That group is using social media to try and motivate people to either come to their so-called caliphate, or if you can't come, kill where you are.
So we have investigations in all 50 states to try to identify among hundreds of people who are consuming this poison, where are they on the -- in stages from consuming to acting, and how do we stop them from acting. That is a preoccupation of the bureau and our partners in state and local law enforcement, all day long in all 56 FBI field offices.
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HANNITY: So Joshua, we talk about ISIS, Iraq and Syria. But now they're talking about Libya and in all 50 states. And then we can go to Western Europe on top of that.
JOSHUA KATZ, FMR. CIA OPERATIONS OFFICER: Absolutely.
HANNITY: So how pervasive is the threat?
KATZ: Sean, the threat is so pervasive, and the administration is just ignoring it. Or maybe they're lying to us, right? But we're seeing it grow in Pakistan, throughout Northern Africa. We're also seeing it grow in the Caribbean, right next to us. We're seeing it grow in Central and South America. We're seeing it grown in Southeast Asia.
And more importantly, we're seeing it grow right here at home in all 50 states and some of our territories. So this problem is growing out of control, Sean.
HANNITY: Yes. And Mr. Gorka, let's go back to this whole Iranian situation with our sailors. We had on John Kirby -- he is the State Department spokesman -- last night. He recognized Iran. Again, we're dealing with radical Islamists, that they're state sponsors of terror, that they have fought proxy wars against the U.S., Israel and others. He admitted all of this.
But yet we'll give them $150 billion, the right to spin centrifuges, the right to build missile defense with Vladimir Putin, 24 days' notice before inspections. I mean, it's insanity to me.
And then we've got an American soldier (sic) on tape apologizing to the Iranians, and then John Kerry thanking them for their release.
Let me play them both back-to-back and get your reaction to this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a mistake that was our fault, and we apologize for our mistake. The Iranian behavior was fantastic while we were here. We thank you very much for your hospitality and your assistance.
JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: I also want to thank the Iranian authorities for their cooperation and quick response. I'm appreciative for the quick and appropriate response of the Iranian authorities. All indications suggest or tell us that our sailors were well taken care of, provided with blankets and food and assisted with their return to the fleet earlier today. And I think we can all imagine how a similar situation might have played out three or four years ago.
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HANNITY: You know, I look at that, Mr. Gorka, and I say to myself, Seriously? I mean, with their hands behind their back? Oh, we should thank them for giving our sailors blankets and food? And they put -- apparently, they covered the hair of one the women that were -- were sailors there?
What is your reaction to the handling of this and the thanking of the Iranians?
GORKA: Well, I'm horrified. As an American, I'm horrified. The propaganda value for this just underlies and supports this "leading from" behind absurdity. America is a hollowed-out version of itself, and now we look as if Iran is more powerful than we are.
Let's leave that aside for a second, Sean. The fact is, this is a nation that in an Arab newspaper the president gave an interview to in March of '15, he actually said this nation, Iran, is a state sponsor of terrorism. The president has admitted that some of the $150 billion we are releasing back to Tehran will fund terrorism. So we are aiding and abetting at the highest level of U.S. government.
HANNITY: Well, why, then...
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HANNITY: Why, then, during the Iranian negotiations, when they were saying that the destruction of Israel is nonnegotiable, meaning the Iranian mullahs, and they were chanting "Death to America" and they were burning the U.S. and the Israeli flag -- why did Obama stay at the table? Why did John Kerry stay there?
What message -- how is that interpreted, Dr. Gorka, in the Islamic world? I would assume it's interpreted as weakness.
GORKA: It's worse. It's much worse than that, Sean. Let me tell you, I've worked closely with our Sunni allies, especially the Jordanians and the Egyptians. I've trained many of their military as a Defense Department official.
They don't trust America anymore. I've had senior general officers in the U.S. military tell me when they go to the region, because of the actions of this White House with regards to the mullahs in Iran, we are not trusted. The good guys who could defeat ISIS for us, the moderate Sunnis, think that America is on the side...
HANNITY: So what should...
GORKA: ... of the crazy Shia.
HANNITY: ... our response have been? What should we have done when they took these sailors hostage?
GORKA: Well, I think there's lots of things that could be discussed at the tactical level. These boats are rapid boats. There's no reason that they have to surrender them to the Iranians. They should have got out of there at a rapid rate of knots, and they didn't do so.
If they had been captured, we shouldn't have played nice with them. We should have demanded them back with all of the equipment, not allowing them to keep our classified GPS systems or anything. That's how you -- you deal from a position of strength and you say, If you don't do this, Iran will pay a price, more sanctions, not more money.
HANNITY: Yes. Dr. Katz, what do you think the response should have been?
KATZ: Yes, Sean, I absolutely think that we have weakened our position in the Middle East to the point where the -- we cannot operate at all. And so our position here needs to be of overwhelming strength and resolve and saying, You cannot do this whatsoever. You can't keep this. You can't keep that. You have to abide by our treaties. And they haven't done that. They fired missiles at our ship, you know, Sean.
So this is absolutely just -- we're heading down the path where America here is going to be less safe and where our soldiers and our sailors here are going to be targets. They are targets. And this is going to affect America in ways that we cannot possibly even fathom yet!
HANNITY: All right. I want to thank you both for being with us. Appreciate your time.
And coming up next on this special edition tonight of "Hannity"...
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: They no more represent Islam than any madman who kills innocents in the name of God represents Christianity or Judaism.
HILLARY CLINTON (D-NY), FMR. SEC. OF STATE, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, the problem is that that sounds like we are declaring war against a religion. And that, to me, is number one, wrong.
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HANNITY: All right, despite this growing threat, Democrats still refuse to call radical Islam what it really is.
And then later tonight...
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JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: And so if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interests reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home but we're not going to -- there'll be nothing show up.
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HANNITY: All right, for months, top U.S. Intelligence officials have been warning that ISIS will infiltrate the Syrian refugee population. So then why are we taking them?
Plus, Hillary Clinton is attacking Republican presidential candidates for promising to get tough with ISIS.
That and more on this special edition of "Hannity," "Islamists Among Us."
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HANNITY: Welcome back to this special edition of "Hannity," "Islamists Among Us."
Now, the president and his Democratic cohorts continue to insist that ISIS is not Islamic, and their refusal to identify the enemy is putting you, the American people, at risk. Take a look at this.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The terrorists do not speak for over a billion Muslims who reject their hateful ideology. They no more represent Islam than any madman who kills innocents in the name of God represents Christianity or Judaism.
All of us have a responsibility to refute the notion that groups like ISIL somehow represent Islam because that is a falsehood that embraces the terrorists' narrative.
HILLARY CLINTON (D-NY), FMR. SEC. OF STATE, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We are at war with violent extremism. We are at war with people who use their religion for purposes of power and oppression. And yes, we are at war with those people, but I don't want us to be painting with too broad a brush.
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HANNITY: And just last week, after a cop in Philadelphia was shot multiple times by a man who claimed that the act was being done in the name of Islam -- well, the mayor of Philadelphia said this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In no way, shape or form does anyone in this room believe that Islam or the teaching of Islam has anything to do with what you've seen on that screen. That is abhorrent. It's just -- it's terrible. And it does not represent the religion in any way, shape or form or any of its teachings.
And this is a criminal with a stolen gun who tried to kill one of our officers, has nothing to do with being a Muslim or following the Islamic faith.
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HANNITY: All right, here with reaction, from the Islamic House of Wisdom, Imam Mohammad Ali Elahi, former NYPD detective Bo Dietl, and FOX News contributor Eboni Williams. Good to see you all.
Imam, let me start with you. The truth is this is done in the name of Islam! This is a literal interpretation of the Quran. It is the call to jihad. It is the infidels. It is holy war. It is take neither Christians nor Jews for your friends. It's about the literal interpretation of the Quran.
It's about the perversion of Islam, correct? That's just a fact.
IMAM MOHAMMAD ALI ELAHI, ISLAMIC HOUSE OF WISDOM: It is about extremism and terrorism, and that is evil. That's insanity. That's crime...
HANNITY: But wait a minute. But in the name of Allah, in the name of Islam, in the name of the Quran.
ELAHI: If you want to understand why we have ISIS and why we have this San Bernardino tragedy, two things. Number one, look at $70 billion spent by the Saudis to teach the takfiri texts, and also, 13 years of the cries (ph) of the families of 9/11 asking for this classification...
HANNITY: But Imam...
ELAHI: ... of those 28 pages...
HANNITY: You're not answering my question!
ELAHI: ... which were classified...
HANNITY: You're not answering my question!
ELAHI: ... by President Bush...
HANNITY: Imam, you're not answering my question!
ELAHI: ... and unfortunately President Obama...
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HANNITY: They are doing these acts in the name of Allah, in the name of the Quran. They are doing it in the name of Islam. They believe that this is what the Quran instructs them to do, and the Hadith.
ELAHI: It is not -- it is not in the name of Allah and the name of Muslim. It is in the name of the Saudis...
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HANNITY: Why do they say Allah-u akbar!
ELAHI: ... in the name of the Saudi money. If we had disclassified the White House, both President Bush...
HANNITY: Then why do they say Allah-u akbar at the -- whenever there's an act of terror?
ELAHI: Well, you know, this is extremism. They may...
HANNITY: That's my point!
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HANNITY: I'm saying it's a perversion -- it is their literal interpretation of the Quran!
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HANNITY: You won't admit what is a simple...
ELAHI: Please let me finish. Let me finish.
HANNITY: ... basic truth!
ELAHI: Please, please let me finish. I am a Muslim, and I led the prayer and pledge of allegiance in our state senate this morning!
HANNITY: Bo...
ELAHI: And I believe that my faith is about rationality, is about...
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ELAHI: ... about compassion!
BO DIETL, FOX CONTRIBUTOR: We need more people like this imam. OK. Fact. I was there after 9/11, when the buildings came down. That was done in the name of Allah, as they were going to the buildings.
HANNITY: Allah-u akbar.
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DIETL: Let me finish there, whatever your name is. Hold on. What was I going to say? You're making your mind go defunct.
HANNITY: You were there after 9/11.
DIETL: I was after 9/11. It was in the name of Allah when they hit the buildings, 3,000 Americans. Lookit, if we had Christians that were going around, radical Christians, and they were killing people, I would call them radical Christians. We have radical Islam now. There's no fact that...
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HANNITY: That's a great analogy.
DIETL: And what's happening around...
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DIETL: What's happening around the world is they're getting stronger. ISIS is the same as al Qaeda, but now it's an organized army state. It's the same difference. That's radical Islam!
HANNITY: With the most land...
ELAHI: You know, for the sake of...
HANNITY: ... and the most money. Hang on! We've got other guests, Imam. Let me go to Eboni here. But the reality is, this is being done in the name of Islam. I'm not saying that all Muslims are radicals, Eboni. I am saying that they are using as the source of their inspiration the Quran and Allah and et cetera. That's what they're citing as they commit these acts.
EBONI WILLIAMS, FOX CONTRIBUTOR: Yes, Sean. I actually don't understand...
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WILLIAMS: One second, sir. I don't understand why this is so confusing for so many people, including what Hillary Clinton said in the sound bite, Sean. You know, no one is painting with a broad brush. And it's actually saying that Americans are not capable of distinguishing between law-abiding traditional Muslims in this country, which there are thousands and millions of, and radical, extreme terrorism that pose a very real and present threat to Americans in this country!
And I believe that with our intelligence and with our greater humanity, we can make that distinction, Sean!
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HANNITY: ... and most Americans do! Most Americans...
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WILLIAMS: I wish -- I wish -- one more statement. I wish that people would stop putting their heads in the sand on one end and on the other side, fear mongering, because those extremes get us nowhere safer and closer to a solution.
HANNITY: But you got to identify the enemy!
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DIETL: ... Islamophobia...
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DIETL: Islamophobia...
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HANNITY: Imam, one at a time.
ELAHI: ... why they are our friends? Why...
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HANNITY: I'll get back to you.
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DIETL: ... and the political correctness. Whenever you make a statement about radical Islam, that's not politically correct. That's nonsense! These are terrorists and we have to treat them like terrorists and...
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WILLIAMS: You have to call it out for what it is.
DIETL: ... and call it like (INAUDIBLE)
HANNITY: All right, Imam, let me go back to you one more time. Why -- as Eboni pointed out, Americans make the distinction. They don't look at all Muslims as radical Islamists. They recognize, but they do understand that your religion is being hijacked by radicals who in the name of your religion are committing acts of terror and acts of violence and killing innocent men, women and children, and their numbers are growing and their land mass is growing and their finances is growing!
ELAHI: I would say that if the White House had released those 28 pages, we did not have ISIS. We didn't this tragedy. Those families, they deserve big money, compensation, millions of dollars.
HANNITY: All right, you won't answer the question.
ELAHI: The money should...
DIETL: It's very simple...
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ELAHI: ... bomb and going and hitting the Houthis of Yemen!
DIETL: It's very simple -- it's very simple...
ELAHI: That money should be given...
DIETL: We need -- we need...
ELAHI: ... to the families of 9/11. They are criminals!
DIETL: Excuse me. We need the moderate Muslims...
ELAHI: They are using our religion!
DIETL: ... the moderate Muslims...
ELAHI: We are angry at them!
DIETL: ... to step, up, Sean...
HANNITY: All right, we got to end it right there. Eboni, thank you. Imam, thank you. Bo, always good to see you.
And coming up next, more of this special edition of "Hannity."
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COMEY: And so if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interests reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but we're not going to -- there will be nothing show up.
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HANNITY: Top U.S. officials have been sounding the alarm about ISIS infiltrating the Syrian refugee population coming into America, but the president refuses to listen.
And then later tonight...
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're backward, even dangerous. So ask yourself, who's the one candidate who can stop them? Hillary Clinton -- tested and tough. To stop them, stand with her.
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HANNITY: In a bizarre ad, Hillary Clinton lashes out at her 2016 Republican rivals for promising to do whatever it takes to take out ISIS. We'll check in with Doug Schoen, Hugh Hewitt, Tammy Bruce -- are here tonight with reaction. That's all coming up straight ahead.
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HANNITY: Welcome back to this special edition of "Hannity," "Islamists Among Us." Now, the Syrian refugee crisis has taken Europe by storm, with many countries struggling to cope with the massive influx of migrants. And for months, top U.S. intelligence and national security officials have been warning us that accepting Syrian refugees will open the door for ISIS to infiltrate the homeland, and of course, bring active terrorism right onto American soil. Watch this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would that bringing in Syrian refugees pose a greater risk to Americans?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, it's clearly a population of concern.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The concern isn't Syria, the lack of our footprint on the ground in Syria. It's the databases won't have the information we need. So it's not that we have a lack of process. It's there's a lack of information.
COMEY: If someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interests reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but we're not going to -- there'll will be nothing show up.
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HANNITY: Why is the president, leading Democrats, refusing to listen to these intelligence experts? Anyway, joining us with reaction, Fox News strategic analyst Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters and FOX news military analyst Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan.
You know, Colonel Peters, we're not talking about, you know, run of the mill, low-level security people. Talking about the director of intelligence, James Clapper, the director of the FBI, James Comey, the assistant director of the FBI, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, the -- the president's special envoy, General John Allen to defeat ISIS -- these are all -- they're all saying ISIS will infiltrate.
Then why is the president gambling with the lives of Americans and insisting we take them? Why would he do that?
LT. COL. RALPH PETERS, U.S. ARMY (RET.), FOX MILITARY ANALYST: For a very straightforward reason, Sean. Because for President Obama and the hard- left-wing of the Democratic Party, the left in general, it's not really about humanitarianism. That's never been the left's thing. That's an excuse.
What it's really about, these waves of immigration, legal or illegal, it's about social engineering. It is a basic tenet, now that communism has failed, socialism has failed, all the left has left is multi-culturalism, multi-religionism. And so for them, it's about anything that makes this country look...
HANNITY: Yes.
PETERS: ... sound, think and worship less like the founding fathers. Simply that.
HANNITY: Colonel Cowan...
PETERS: And the president will take risk.
HANNITY: Well, he's gambling with our lives!
PETERS: He would rather change America...
HANNITY: He's safe!
PETERS: ... than protect it.
HANNITY: Yes, he'll be safe. He has security.
Colonel Cowan, let's look at Paris, a refugee. Let's look at Istanbul, a refugee, a Syrian refugee. Let's look at the attacks, the sexual assaults, over 100 of them all throughout Europe, especially in Cologne and Germany on New Year's Eve.
Now I want to play for you Hillary Clinton. She says 10,000 is not enough! We ought to take in more. Maybe 65,000 is a good start. Watch this.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D-NY), FMR. SEC. OF STATE, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You know, look, we're facing the worst refugee crisis since the end of World War II, and I think the United States has to do more, and I would like to see us move from what is a good start with 10,000 to 65,000 and begin immediately to put into place the mechanisms for vetting the people that we would take in, looking to really emphasize some of those who are most vulnerable, a lot of persecuted religious minorities.
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HANNITY: Colonel Cowan, the ISIS manual is telling those that sympathize, Cut your beard, wear a crucifix, blend in with society, then attack! How do you possibly vet somebody and ascertain what is in their heart as you're interviewing them? They're not going to tell you, yes, I'm really -- I support ISIS. They're not going to tell you that!
COL. BILL COWAN (RET.), FOX MILITARY ANALYST: You can't. You can't, Sean. And let me say quickly, if I may, she's talking about bringing in persecuted minorities. The number of Christians that we have allowed in from Syria is almost zero since this whole affair began! So we're not bringing in persecuted minorities of the Christian faith. She wants to bring in anybody else that she can.
Sean, the vetting process is complex, but under this administration, whether you are a State Department counselor, offshore (ph) immigration or homeland security and you are trying to vet a refugee sitting in front of you that you can find out nothing else about because the documents don't exist...
HANNITY: You know...
COWAN: ... you cannot ask the question, What is your feeling about the caliphate...
HANNITY: Good grief.
COWAN: ... or how do you feel about sharia law with respect to being -- overpowering all other law? Those questions are not permitted! And therefore, you can't get an inkling!
HANNITY: You know...
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HANNITY: ... Trump always says we're a stupid country. This is stupid! This -- you know, for the president and Hillary Clinton to be gambling with the lives of the American people, especially after Paris, especially after Istanbul, especially after the sexual assaults all across Europe on New Year's Eve, it makes one wonder, why not a safe zone, Colonel Peters, why not we provide food, water, medicine, and supplies and baby formula and cots and blankets, but do it inside Syria, even military assistance to keep them safe rather than bring them here. Why not that?
PETERS: Too late. With the Russians in there now, we would have to consult the Russians in the air to establish a safe zone. It's -- he who hesitates is lost. And God knows Obama has lost. Sean, if I may, a very important point, and Bill raised this. There are genuine refugees in the Middle East. Not the young, military age, thug males who we saw in Europe. The genuine refugees are the Christians whose 2,000-year-old civilization has been destroyed as Obama passively and smugly watched.
And I'll tell you, you can vet them easily because they'll vet each other. They're not going to let an ISIS fellow slip through or an ISIS handmaiden. And I am for helping genuine refugees. But if you say help the Christian refugees who have been driven from their homes, burned out, killed, raped, kidnapped, enslaved, you're a bigot if you say that. You have to be open to everybody.
HANNITY: All right, Colonel Cowan, last word.
COWAN: Sean, I would like to add quickly to what Ralph said. The first question, Obama is still trying to validate his Nobel Peace Prize. I also add that there are thousands upon thousands of Iraqis and Afghan interpreters and translators who work side by side with American forces throughout the war who the State Department and Hillary Clinton when she was there will not allow to come to this country, many of them killed already, the rest of them at risk every day for their lives. They're not being allowed to come.
HANNITY: Thank you both for being with us. Very insightful and scary. Appreciate it.
And coming up next tonight on this special edition of HANNITY.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're backward, even dangerous. So ask yourself, who is the one candidate who can stop them? Hillary Clinton, tested and tough. To stop them, stand with her.
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HANNITY: All right, Hillary promising to defeat the Republican presidential candidates who actually have a plan to take out ISIS. We'll check in with Doug Schoen, Hugh Hewitt, Tammy Bruce. They are here with reaction. That's next.
And later, where do radical Islamists get their inspiration to kill innocent people? That and more as we continue.
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HANNITY: Welcome back to the special edition of "HANNITY, Islamists among Us." 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton recently released a new political ad bashing her Republican rivals for vowing to wipe out ISIS. Really? Watch this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Think about it.
DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I would bomb the -- out of them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of these Republicans.
SEN. TED CRUZ, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Carpet bomb them into oblivion.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could actually be president.
GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Sit down and shut up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Enacting their agenda.
JEB BUSH, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think we should repeal Obamacare.
TRUMP: Our wages are too high.
CRUZ: Defund Planned Parenthood.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're backward, even dangerous. So ask yourself, who is the one candidate who can stop them? Hillary Clinton, tested and tough. To stop them, stand with her.
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HANNITY: All right, so Hillary tries to make you, the voters, afraid of Republicans while the 2016 GOP hopefuls, they're warning you, the American people, about the real danger of ISIS. Watch this.
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TRUMP: ISIS is making a tremendous amount of money because they have certain oil camps, right? They have certain areas of oil that they took away. They have some in Syria and some in Iraq. I would bomb the -- out of them.
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TRUMP: I would blow up the pipes. I would blow up the refineries. I'd blow every single inch. There would be nothing left.
CRUZ: We will defeat radical Islamic terrorism and we will utterly destroy ISIS, and, yes, that means carpet bombing them into oblivion.
BUSH: We need to destroy ISIS in Syria and have a real strategy to do it. And it won't be containment.
BEN CARSON, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We should monitor anything -- mosque, church, school, you know, shopping center, where there's a lot of radical -- radicalization going on.
TRUMP: I'm putting the people on notice that coming here from Syria as part of this mass migration that if I win, if I win, they're going back. They're going back. I'm telling you.
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HANNITY: Joining us now, radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt with Salem Radio Network, also former Clinton pollster Doug Schoen, FOX News contributor Tammy Bruce. All right, I hate to always do this to you. So Hillary wants 65,000 Syrian refugees in spite of the intelligence warnings that ISIS will infiltrate. Then of course after Paris and after Istanbul and after the sexual attacks in western Europe, why would she do that? And then she is attacking her rivals for saying, no, we'll be tough on ISIS.
DOUG SCHOEN, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Here is the thing. First she said up to 65,000, not strictly.
HANNITY: Let me put the parsings in.
SCHOEN: I get it. But here is the problem. Given that she is in a very tough fight in Iowa and New Hampshire, which she could well lose, she can't get too far away from the liberal base, Obama and his policies. She knows as well as I do that we have to obliterate ISIS. Her policy has been nuanced and not tough enough, Sean. She will move once she gets past Iowa and New Hampshire.
HANNITY: FOX News poll shows that 65 percent of Americans think Obama's ISIS strategy has been a failure and she is embracing it, as Doug pointed out.
SCHOEN: Because of the primaries.
TAMMY BRUCE, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: And three-quarters of Americans don't like the direction of the country. In the montage you showed, it's clear that the Democrats feel that America is the problem. Do we want another four or eight years of a president who feels that America is the great Satan? The party now, the Democratic Party, has more in common with the Castro brothers than they do with anyone in this nation.
HANNITY: It's really changed.
BRUCE: And she is now pandering. Her problem is Bernie Sanders. She is pandering to this. But the problem is of course then you have got a dynamic where she is reinforcing the idea that America is the thing that needs to be stopped, that Republicans are the enemy. It's an astounding position. And her numbers now are worse at this point than they were in 2008.
HANNITY: Yes.
BRUCE: So it is harming her. And it's going to continue to do so.
HANNITY: You know, it seems that, Hugh, America is afraid to have a very blunt, honest conversation. And I call it the clash of culture conversation. If you grow up under Sharia and you feel you have the right to tell women what to wear, whether they can go to school, whether they can go to work, that they can't drive a car, that they can't vote, you need four male eyewitnesses to prove rape, they can't leave the house without a male relative, for example, in Saudi Arabia. If you grow up under that system, why is it unfair to ask people whether or not you're coming here to assimilate or you are coming here to advance your own views? America -- Democrats won't answer that question. It's too politically incorrect.
HUGH HEWITT, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: It's not unfair. I was as flabbergasted as Tammy by that ad. And when you played it and her tag line is "tested and tough." She flunked every test she faced, and it's tough to sell that. If you look at Iraq, the failure to get the status of forces agreement. The Libyan catastrophe, the Syrian nightmare, we had the Egyptian -- she was on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood and then she was against and then she was for it. We had the reset button. It is a litany of catastrophe.
And for her to campaign on that, I am with Tammy. I find it mind-boggling that anyone - and maybe Doug has the decoder ring to tell us what message is supposed to come out of this.
SCHOEN: That the Clintons and particularly Hillary is playing politics where she is on the defensive because the left wing of the party is ascendant. Tammy, it's socialist. I don't think they're quite the Castro brothers, but they're not the capitalist Democratic Party of John F. Kennedy that I grew up with.
BRUCE: It's not a wing anymore. It's the party itself.
SCHOEN: Sadly, that's so.
HANNITY: The Scoop Jackson, Sam Nunn, even.
SCHOEN: People who think like I do. But Hillary, if she is the nominee --
HANNITY: When will you become a Republican?
SCHOEN: I don't think so because they're too far to the right on social issues.
BRUCE: I am an independent. I'm not a Republican either.
HANNITY: I'm a registered conservative. I'm right of both of you.
BRUCE: This is not a wing anymore. It is the entire party. It is not anyone that even the Republicans should try to win over. They need to win over the American people, and the American people are agreeing with us and agree that the nation needs to go into a different direction.
HEWITT: I am a Republican, and I want Doug to realize that there are four Supreme Court appointments coming. And if he has any idea what will happen to the country if Hillary Clinton gets four Supreme Court appointment, he has got to register as an "R" and get moving because this country is in danger of being lost.
SCHOEN: I respectfully, Hugh, disagree. I think if we could get more judges like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who I like.
BRUCE: No wonder he's still a Democrat.
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SCHOEN: And that's why I am a democrat.
HANNITY: An originalist --
SCHOEN: I am not an originalist.
HANNITY: I am.
SCHOEN: I understand. We disagree.
HANNITY: All right, guys, good to see you all.
Where do radical Islamists, where do they get their inspiration to kill innocents and advance their caliphate? We're going to examine that question coming up next as we continue on this special edition of "HANNITY, Islamist among Us."
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HANNITY: Welcome back to the special edition of "HANNITY, Islamist among Us." Now, many Muslims describe Islam as a religion of peace. But a 2015 poll by the Center for Security Policy suggests otherwise. When asked the violence against Americans here in the U.S. can be justified as part of, quote, "global jihad," 25 percent of Muslim-Americans polled say yes.
Joining us now form the Muhammad Islamic Center in Greater Harford, Imam Kashif Abdul Karim, and also from the American Islamic Forum for Democracy Dr. Zuhdi Jasser. Let's go to more polls. We'll put it up on the screen, 29 percent of Muslim polled say violence against those who insult the Islamic faith is sometimes acceptable. That same poll says 51 percent of Muslims polled say Muslims in America should have the right and the choice of being governed by Sharia.
Dr. Jasser, I'll put it on the side of the screen certain quotes. I want you to respond to polls and the Quran calling to cut off hands and feet of those who fight Allah, or Christian and Jews are deluded and not to take them as friends, and all these other quotes that we're putting up there. Explain how people interpret that literally.
DR. ZUHDI JASSER, AMERICAN ISLAMIC FORUM FOR DEMOCRACY: Well, this is basically, Sean, the movement of political Islam, Wahhabism, these movements that have been fueled by petrol dollars that dominate the leadership of our Muslim community, are exclusivist translation, literal interpretations that take passages that the Islam that I learned is more through an American lens of equality, of modern ideas. But the Islam that's being pumped out of Saudi Arabia, being pumped out of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, or Pakistan is an Islam that demonizes minorities, that abuses women, that justifies things that are not only seventh century but is just what I believe to be un-Islamic.
But we Muslims have to own up to the fact the interpretations of some of the passages is not being done in an American lens. And our Muslim reform movement put forth a declaration that said we reject apostasy laws. We reject blasphemy laws. We reject violent jihad. And there are ways to interpret those passages in ways that are commensurate with the 21 century. But the majority of our leadership in America is silent and missing in action on these reforms necessary.
HANNITY: Imam, I want you to respond to the polls and these quotes that we're putting up on Islam and the literal interpretation that some have of this.
IMAM KASHIF ABDUL KARIM, MUHAMMAD ISLAMIC CENTER OF GREATER HARTFORD: First of all, we don't really agree with that particular poll. That particular poll was denied as being shoddy according to the "Washington Post."
HANNITY: What about cut off the hands and feet of those who fight Allah? What about Jews and Christians are deluded and take neither Christians nor Jews for your friends?
JASSER: Well, that particular person is dealing with stealing actually deals with if a person steals you cut of their hand, but if the person has been stealing because he's hungry or he's dealing with a difficulty, the crime is not on the person but it's on the community. We're taking these Sharia laws that have been presented to us.
HANNITY: But the Quran is being used to justify murder. It's being used to justify mothers and fathers strapping suicide vests on their own children and promising them 72 virgins in heaven. So obviously they're taking it from somewhere and they cite the Quran.
JASSER: I think the Imam's answer --
KARIM: Those things you're talking about are really not from the Quran. They're from different hadiths, which has been taken out of context.
HANNITY: But that is where they're getting their radicalism from. They're taking it literally.
JASSER: No. When you take, just like there was Christians in American lynching black people for years, right-minded people understood that was not Christianity.
HANNITY: OK, but radical Islam is now the world's problem. That's what we're dealing with. Last word, Zuhdi, real quick.
JASSER: Imam, you're being either delusional or ignorant or you're being deceptive of the interpretations that are coming out of Saudi Arabia that are in the Quran that we have to reinterpret. So the apologetics that you're providing actually prove Sean's point and prove the poll, which is most Muslims reject or simply accept that somehow as part of God's law when in fact we have to reform the literal interpretation and say that the majority of the leadership of our faith are archaic and medieval in their interpretations, and we need to reject openly. And the fact that you're denying that actually proves the poll because you're not allowing a conversation to admit that we have a problem.
HANNITY: Imam, real quick, respond to that.
KARIM: We don't have a problem. I'm not ignorant or delusional. I did say, first of all, that the poll was not accurate.
HANNITY: You say --
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HANNITY: Imam, are you saying we don't have a problem with radical Islam?
KARIM: We have a problem with people who are claiming Islam as a tool to do bad things in the world, yes, we do.
JASSER: To the Saudis beheading, the Muslim Brotherhood attacking people because of their speech, that is not happening.
HANNITY: We have to go. I'm just out of time. I appreciate it. Dr. Jasser, I think you can take back the religion.
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HANNITY: More of this special edition of "Hannity, Islamists among Us" as we continue.
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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Quick programming note, be sure to tune in one hour from now, that's 12:00 Eastern, 9:00 p.m. out of the West Coast. We'll be back now that the Republican debate is over, and many of the GOP candidates will join us from the spin room. That includes Donald Trump, Dr. Carson, Governor Kasich, and many others. That's tonight, 12:00 Eastern, 9:00 Pacific, one hour from right now. We'll see you then.
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