Hannity: The left's incompetence made the world less safe
Former NYC Mayor Rudolph Giuliani weighs in on 'Hannity' about the proper response to terror
This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," June 29, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." And tonight, the left's utter incompetence has completely ruined our foreign policy, now creating chaos all around the world and a crisis right here in America.
Now, the suicide bombings in Turkey and the terror attack in Orlando - - they are the most recent results of major missteps at every single turn over the past seven-and-a-half years by President Obama and Hillary Clinton.
Now, let's start from the beginning. Now, Barack Obama -- remember? He kicked off his presidency by going on that apology tour. He was promising a new relationship with the Muslim world, which, of course, paved the way for instability, and of course, an explosion of violence now in the Middle East.
He prematurely -- he withdrew U.S. troops from Iraq. Well, that created an opening for ISIS to grow and take over cities that many Americans fought, bled and died for.
And then in Libya, President Obama, Hillary Clinton -- well, they advanced the effort to remove Moammar Gadhafi from power. Remember, he was cooperating at the time. The country has since fallen into chaos, and ISIS is now rapidly expanding there.
Remember the president drew that red line in the sand in Syria? Well, then he backed away from his promise to oust President Assad if he used chemical weapons against his own people, allowing ISIS again to further its foothold in that country and form a home base.
And when it comes to fighting radical Islam -- well, the president -- he won't even say the words. Take a look.
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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: For a while now, the main contribution some of my friends on the other side of the aisle have made in the fight against ISIL is to criticize this administration and me for not using the phrase "radical Islam." This is a political distraction.
So there's no magic to the phrase "radical Islam." It's a political talking point.
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HANNITY: Now, less than two years ago, the president even referred to ISIS as the JV team. Remember, he said this. "The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think it's accurate, that is if a JV team puts on a Laker's uniform, that doesn't make them Kobe Bryant."
And just one day before the terror attacks in Paris, remember, that killed over 100 people -- well, that's when the president claimed ISIS was contained. Watch this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But ISIS is gaining strength, aren't they?
OBAMA: Well, I don't think they're gaining strength. What is true is, is that from the start, our goal has been first to contain -- and we have contained them. They have not gained ground in Iraq. And in Syria, they'll come in, they'll leave.
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HANNITY: And then, of course, the Obama State Department -- they even suggested the best way to defeat radical Islam -- jihadi jobs, jobs for jihadis. Watch this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... killing them. We cannot kill our way out of this war. We need in the longer term, medium and longer term, to go after the root causes that leads people to join these groups.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's always going to be poor people. There's always going to be poor Muslims. And as long as there are poor Muslims, the trumpet's blowing. They'll join. We can't stop that, can we?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We can work with countries around the world to help improve their governance. We can help them build their economy so they can have job opportunities for these people.
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HANNITY: And here at home, the White House has dangerously ignored the rising threat of radical Islam. Get this. The FBI now says that there are active ISIS-related cases now in all 50 states, with over 1,000 total investigations.
And the Department of Homeland Security -- well, they banned the words "jihad" and "sharia." And when it comes to America taking in refugees from Syria, well, you know, the president, Hillary Clinton -- they have flat out ignored the warnings from top U.S. intelligence and national security officials that are warning ISIS will infiltrate the refugee population.
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JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: We can only query against that which we have collected. And -- and so if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interests reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but we're not going to -- there'll be nothing show up because we have no record on that person.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is some fear, some fear that some these refugees may actually be posing as refugees, but they might actually be al Qaeda or ISIS terrorists trying to sneak into Europe or the United States. What do you make of that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, certainly, that's a possibility. I mean, you can't dismiss that out of hand.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We should be conscious of the potential that Daesh may attempt to embed agents within that population.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The group is probably exploring a variety of means for infiltrating operatives into the West, including in refugee flows...
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HANNITY: Oh, and my favorite. After the Orlando terror attacks -- well, Obama's attorney general, Loretta Lynch -- she claimed love was the best way to defeat radical Islamic terrorism.
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LORETTA LYNCH, ATTORNEY GENERAL: Our most effective response to terror and to hatred is compassion, it's unity, and it's love.
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HANNITY: Wow. And we can't forget about the administration. This administration negotiated a nuclear deal with the number one state sponsor of terror, Iran, and giving them $150 billion.
Now, there's also the failed reset with Russia. Now, we saw how that turned out, with Vladimir Putin invading and then annexing Crimea. Now, the president has released Gitmo detainees. They've gone right back to the battlefields. Who does this? And the administration also gave F-16s, fighter jets, tanks and over a billion dollars to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt when Mohammed Morsi became their president.
And just yesterday, the select committee on Benghazi -- well, that report revealed that during the 2012 terror attack, that the administration was focused on crafting narrative about an internet video while American lives were under fire and mortars were being shot at them.
These facts are indisputable. After almost eight years now, the left's incompetence has now led to disaster after disaster. It has now made the world and America less safe, your families less safe.
Here with reaction, former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani. You know, think about less than two years ago -- JV team. Just before Paris -- contained. At the beginning of the administration, man-caused disasters, workplace violence, overseas contingencies.
How could they be so wrong about such a grave, evil threat in our lifetime?
RUDY GIULIANI, R-FMR. NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: I think it's got to be ideology that is overruling common sense and facts and truth. You can't possibly observe what's going on and say the things, for example, that John Kerry is saying that we're winning the war against...
HANNITY: Oh, yes. This was an act of desperation, he said.
GIULIANI: Yes, an act of desperation. Here's the reality of Islamic extremist terrorism, which I have been studying, prosecuting, investigating and dealing with since at least 1972.
HANNITY: Didn't you do the blind sheikh case?
GIULIANI: No, I didn't.
HANNITY: You didn't do that one, OK.
GIULIANI: But my best friend, Judge Mukasey, was the judge in that case.
HANNITY: Right.
GIULIANI: The reality is when you give them weakness, when you -- when you stay on defense, they go on offense. So let's look at the period before September 11. We had the bombings in Africa. We had...
GIULIANI: Kenya, Tanzania.
HANNITY: Right, and then the one I will never forgive, which is the attack on the Cole, which is an act of war.
GIULIANI: USS Cole.
HANNITY: Sailors killed.
GIULIANI: Khobar Towers.
HANNITY: We did nothing about the Cole, nothing. We took no action. Has to have created in bin Laden's mind, Let me push further. Let me push further. And Obama has done exactly the same thing. He's done exactly the same thing, except he's done it over and over again.
And you've listed all of it. And I don't understand how you can view the world that way and feel that you are fulfilling your responsibility of protecting the American people.
GIULIANI: How do you say love is the answer and banning words like "jihad" and sharia"?
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GIULIANI: How about when they cut out -- I think it was the French prime minister who used the words Islamic...
HANNITY: Yes, remember that?
GIULIANI: ... terrorism. The State Department took it out of the transcript.
HANNITY: Let me go through this.
GIULIANI: This is absurd. He spends more time defending Islamic terrorism and -- and -- and...
HANNITY: And the terrible deeds in the name of Jesus Christ...
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HANNITY: ... Christian crusade.
GIULIANI: And here's where it has practical impact, when I look at it from a law enforcement point of view. The incident in San Bernardino -- neighbors saw those two people in the garage at night under suspicious circumstances. They didn't come forward because I think logical deduction is they would feel like they were prejudiced because they were Arab- looking. Had they come forward, who knows.
We prevented a bombing in New York City when I was mayor because a police officer saw two Arab men acting suspiciously, reported it to the Joint Terrorism Task Force and they arrested them before they were able to do their bombing.
I think that this is creating a fear of coming forward with information, this whole political correctness thing. It is not just a game. Words are important. The president is creating a fear within the bureaucracy. And I think there's a fear in the FBI of being too aggressive.
HANNITY: No jihad. No sharia. You know, we're going to use love.
GIULIANI: That has an impact on the bureaucracy that is investigating this. I mean, you look at -- you look at Tsarnaev, right? Was that followed up correctly? Was that given to the local police?
HANNITY: How do you...
GIULIANI: Look at the latest incident.
HANNITY: So they pull out of Iraq. They draw the red line and they don't follow through in Syria. Then they give Iran all this money. Then they release Gitmo detainees. Then they can't say radical Islam. Then they give Morsi, of all people -- you know, he once referred to people that are -- the Israelis as descendants of apes and pigs.
GIULIANI: Right. Right.
HANNITY: We're going to give him, the former head of a terrorist groups, F-16s?
GIULIANI: I mean, the reality is that the situation now in the world is completely his responsibility, and to a large extent, Hillary Clinton's.
HANNITY: Can I ask you a question? How is everything so wrong so often and so backwards?
GIULIANI: Because of the ideology.
HANNITY: It's all ideology?
GIULIANI: When he became president, I had a big question in my mind. You know I opposed him. You did, I opposed. I thought we're going to find out is he a pragmatist or an ideologue.
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GIULIANI: And he turned out to be excessive ideologue. And I don't think he can view facts without this whole ideological strain, exactly why he wants to spend so much time basically defending Islamic terrorism...
HANNITY: You remember...
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HANNITY: ... uniquely qualified.
GIULIANI: His theory is if you say "radical Islam," you're giving them more credit than they deserve. Well, first of all, they already have the credit. Everybody else says "radical Islam," so it's absurd that he doesn't say it.
And secondly, I think it's an insult to the good Muslim people. I think it's an insult to the good Muslim people when you don't point out that this is a certain group of radical Muslims. They don't represent the good Muslim people.
It's the same thing with the mafia. When I first used the word mafia, I was criticized...
HANNITY: I remember that.
GIULIANI: ... by Italian-Americans (INAUDIBLE) word mafia...
HANNITY: And you're Italian.
GIULIANI: And I said, the best thing to do is to stand up against them and prove to them that they're only a small percentage of Italian- Americans. And Muslims should stand up and demand that he use the word "radical Muslim" and say (INAUDIBLE) use those words, and we're not defensive about it because we're decent, honest, honorable people, and we hate those people who are acting that way.
HANNITY: All right, Mr. Mayor. Thank you.
And coming up on this busy news night tonight right here on "Hannity"...
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JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: If you're desperate and if you know you're losing and you know you want to give up your life, then obviously, you can do some harm.
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HANNITY: It's inexplicable. John Kerry proves once again that he doesn't get it. ISIS isn't desperate, they're determined.
Coming up next, we'll get reaction from Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
And also, later tonight...
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hillary as president? No thanks. I served in Benghazi. My friends didn't make it.
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HANNITY: The NRA -- they release a scathing new ad attacking Hillary Clinton. We'll play the entire thing, get reaction from our panel, Judge Jeanine Pirro, David Limbaugh, also Patrick J. Buchanan tonight on "Hannity."
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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Yesterday, Secretary of State John Kerry blamed, quote, "desperation" for the attacks in Istanbul. Really? Watch this.
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KERRY: Daesh and others like it know that we have to get it right 24/7, 365. They have to get it right for 10 minutes or one hour. So it's a very different scale. And if you're desperate and if you know you're losing and you know you want to give up your life, then obviously, you can do some harm.
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HANNITY: Now, while Kerry purports that ISIS is losing and acting out of desperation, well, the CIA director is telling a very different story. Watch this.
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JOHN BRENNAN, CIA DIRECTOR: The ISIL-generated engine of foreign terrorism outside of Syria and Iraq still has a lot of momentum that we cannot rest at all. We have continue to increase our efforts.
It would be surprising to me that ISIL is not trying to hit us both in the region, as well as in our homeland.
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HANNITY: Here now with reaction, the author of "Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War," the distinguished chair of military theory at Marine Corps University. That's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
You know, this is like saying again it's not radical Islam. Don't say sharia. Don't say jihad, we were just discussing, or the JV team or they're contained. I don't understand how you can make the case that they're desperate when there's almost now an attack a week. What's your response?
SEBASTIAN GORKA, "DEFEATING JIHAD" AUTHOR: Sean, my response is you are applying common sense, and common sense has been banished from the White House and the cabinet. Remember, after Orlando, it was sexual repression of a covert homosexual identity. Our best weapon is love. Two days before the San Bernardino attack, Secretary Kerry and the president said ISIS is contained. We are winning.
What have we seen since then in the last 18 months? Two attacks in Paris, an attack in Brussels, San Bernardino, Philly, now Orlando, and yesterday Istanbul. Doesn't sound to me like their style is being cramped at all. They are attacking wherever they wish to attack. And they're taking the war to the infidel, which includes here in America, Sean.
HANNITY: They created a vacuum in Iraq and Syria, which we were discussing. They released more terrorists by releasing Gitmo detainees. They refer to them as the JV team. They say they're contained, as you point out. I don't know any aspect of this war on terrorism that they're getting right, and they won't even say "radical Islamic terrorism."
Now, you have written a book, Dr. Gorka, and you say we can defeat these people. What would it really take to win?
GORKA: Well, number one, it would take leadership. It would take a leader in the White House who admits we are at war and an individual who wants to win. So that's number one.
Secondly, we have to jettison political correctness. This whole censorship for the last seven-and-a-half years, when the enemy says, I'm a jihadi, and the administration says, No, no, no, they're just unemployed and uneducated -- that has to thrown out of the window.
Then we have to empower our Muslim allies to fight this war, the Egyptians, who have been rejected by the White House, the Jordanians, the Sunnis of Iraq. Embed our special forces. We don't want to be the face of this war. But we have the experts, the special forces guys from Bragg, from Middle Creak (ph), the people who can be the spine of that coalition.
And then lastly, we have to destroy the brand because killing terrorists isn't enough. I don't have anything against it, but stacking them like cordwood doesn't work when they can keep on recruiting new guys. So we have to destroy the ideology.
HANNITY: You know, because of your background -- you're the distinguished chair of military theory. Here's my fear, 58,000 young men in America got killed in the Vietnam war, and we pulled out. We didn't finish the job. In Iraq, I don't like the same thing. Same story. We won Mosul, Fallujah, Ramadi, Tikrit. I met kids that lost their legs, had their faces blown up, had lost their arms, and we lost nearly 5,000 kids.
So my question is -- we cannot ask these brave men and women to fight anymore if we don't have the goal to see it through. And it seem that as soon as the battle becomes politicized, inevitably, we're going to pull out.
Is there a way to defeat these people without watching, as we did in Baghdad and Ramadi and Mosul, these kids going door to door? In other words, is the new era of modern technology and modern warfare going to prevent us from having to send in all these ground troops to accomplish the mission and actually win?
GORKA: Technology is useful, but it's not a panacea. Ever since McNamara, we've had this disease that we think the latest platform, the latest algorithm will save us. At the end of the day, Sean, it is a man with a gun, with the boots on the ground. But it doesn't have to be our men or marines or infantry.
HANNITY: That's what Trump is saying.
GORKA: Right, but it doesn't have to be our guys. It has to be the local Sunnis with us at the six (ph), with us providing the expertise and training.
HANNITY: Look at the Saudis. You talk about the Sunnis. OK, they don't like the Iranians creating hegemony in the region, and their influence is now expanded out greatly -- on the one hand. But they play both sides. You know, they have played both sides for years. We have this -- we need -- we have these redacted materials in the 9/11 commission report, apparently shows some culpability and some financial support for the 9/11 terrorists.
You know, that is frustrating to me. I don't see that the Saudis are willing to put boots on the ground. I don't see that countries in the region are willing to put boots on the ground.
GORKA: The Saudis are not going to save us. Absolutely right. They've been playing a double-edged game for the last 20-odd years. I'm talking about the people who want to be on our side, the people I've worked with...
HANNITY: Who?
GORKA: Oh, well, number one, the Jordanians, incredible special forces.
HANNITY: That's true. And el Sisi is a pretty brave, you know...
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HANNITY: He's been more outspoken against Islamic terrorism than Obama!
GORKA: Think about this. If we have the massive, the Egyptian army allied to the small but really high quality Jordanians, allied to the Kurds, allied to the Sunnis who still want us to be there...
HANNITY: That'll work?
GORKA: If we were trusted by them and we supported them, that would work.
HANNITY: If we gave them our intelligence and maybe some equipment and they do the job, we could win the war that way. I agree with you. All right, well said. Thank you, sir.
GORKA: Thank you, Sean.
HANNITY: I appreciate it.
And up next tonight right here on "Hannity"...
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hillary as president? No thanks. I served in Benghazi. My friends didn't make it.
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HANNITY: The NRA releases a blistering new ad about Hillary Clinton. We'll check with in with Judge Jeanine Pirro, David Limbaugh. They're coming up next.
Also, brand-new polls have just been released. Heather Nauert is here with a full report, and we'll get reaction tonight from Patrick J. Buchanan as we continue tonight on "Hannity."
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HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I understand that after more than two years and $7 million spent by the Benghazi committee out of taxpayer funds, it had to today report it had found nothing, nothing to contradict the conclusions of the independent accountability board or the conclusions of the prior multiple earlier investigations carried out on a bipartisan basis in the Congress.
I'll leave it to others to characterize this report, but I think it's pretty clear it's time to move on.
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HANNITY: Oh, move on. After all, what difference does it make? Really? That was Hillary Clinton yesterday reacting to the Benghazi report. And while she may want to move on in this case, those impacted by the terror attack -- they refuse to do so. And today, the NRA -- they released a blistering new ad about Hillary Clinton. Watch this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of people say they're not going to vote this November because their candidate didn't win. Well, I know some other people who won't be voting this year, either. Hillary as president? No thanks. I served in Benghazi. My friends didn't make it. They did their part. Do yours.
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HANNITY: Joining us now with reaction, author, attorney David Limbaugh and the host of "Justice," Judge Jeanine Pirro is with us.
Full disclosure. David Limbaugh has done work for me in the past I'm sure he is regrets it on a lot of different levels!
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HANNITY: All right. By the way, no criminal work, just for the record!
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JUDGE JEANINE PIRRO, HOST, "JUSTICE WITH JUDGE JEANINE": I was going to ask!
HANNITY: You know, you think about this and you look at her, you know, cavalier answer, you know, she wants to move on at this point, what difference does it make -- well, here's the problem. We had 600 attempts to get additional security from Benghazi. The Brits left. The Red Cross left. And they didn't give the security.
During the attack, we learned in this report that they sent nobody, and meanwhile, they were having our brave men and women that were ready to rescue changing in and out of clothes because they weren't sure it was appropriate to send military officials in to save American lives. Oh, and they wanted the approval of the Libyan government to go and rescue Americans. And we'll get to the after in a second.
But David, this is madness!
DAVID LIMBAUGH, ATTORNEY: It's outrageous. You know, Hillary says, Let's move on. Move on from what? She's never been punished. She's never been accountable for anything. And she was right in the middle of everything that happened, both in the failure to act to save lives in Benghazi and also in the unbelievable video coverup, the idea that the video caused this violence.
We knew in real time that the video had nothing to do with it, that it was a terrorist thing. The people on the ground in real time said this is nothing to do with a video, and the administration lied by changing a headline on a report saying it was violence connected to Egypt, when it -- they knew it was Benghazi, and the text showed that it was Egypt -- not -- I mean, that it was Egypt and not Benghazi.
So really, five out of ten action items in this meeting they had after the attack...
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HANNITY: And that was going on four -- this is important. The timeline is important. This happened at 3:42. At 7:30, they're having a two-hour meeting and they're for political excuses instead of saving lives.
They had a video. They were watching what was happening in real time! Mortars were going off. RPGs are being fired, and they're debating what their political answer is going to be?
PIRRO: You know, Sean, the saddest part about this, and I find this report sad because it is a reflection of how the commander in the chief and the future commander in chief view the rest of us. And the fact that she knew.
HANNITY: By the way, bite your tongue. She is not going to be a future commander and chief.
PIRRO: A future want to be commander and achievement and if Obama his way, that's what would happen. But it's almost as though no one matters. It's about a narrative. It's a charade. We know for a fact now what we figured out a long time ago, and that is that even though Panetta apparently in the meeting said we are going to deploy people, someone stopped it.
HANNITY: He wasn't at the 7:30 meeting. He had determined that earlier.
PIRRO: Right.
HANNITY: And so that never happened. Here is where it gets interesting. The before is they didn't give the requested security even though it had become as hotbed of terrorist training. During it they don't send anybody to help, but they are looking for political answers.
Now, here's the cover-up. At the very same time she is telling us this is related to do a YouTube video and spontaneous -- whoever heard of spontaneous demonstration where they had mortars in their back pocket and RPGs in their back pocket. She told the Egyptian prime minister, the Libyan president, and her own daughter the following, two of ours officers were killed by Al Qaeda by an Al Qaeda like group. She is committing it's terrorism but lying to us, David.
DAVID LIMBAUGH, AUTHOR AND ATTORNEY: All of this, as we say, was premeditated, the cover-up was premeditated. They trotted out Susan Rice on five TV shows. She was prepped by David Plouffe and Ben Rhodes to lie.
And the State Department officials apparently reacted, saying she is off the reservation. Another one said she is off the reservation five times. They knew this was an absolute lie. And what Congressman Pompeo said was exactly right. They put their own political interests above the lives of the American people.
People out to understand, these college kids who are being indoctrinated by professors about how conservatives don't care about people and liberals do. This is liberalism in action. Liberals care about their political future. They advance the narrative so that they could win the election.
HANNITY: Because you have to think the timing. This is September, 2012, we're two months away from an election, less than two months away, and so it didn't fit their narrative so they needed to lie, and Obama himself and Hillary herself advanced what they knew to be a lie and now it's a proven lie.
PIRRO: It's a proven lie, and they weren't willing to protect our sons. But they were willing to protect the election of the president.
HANNITY: It's sickening.
PIRRO: And it is, you know, what they did during all this time was continue this narrative, make the families of the victims look like fools, whether it's Pat smith or Charles Wood, saying Hillary says I didn't lie. They, you know, maybe they did. And it is a -- it's just -- I think it's a sad day. And you know, but for this committee, Sean, we wouldn't have gotten the emails.
HANNITY: I'm really convinced if we had Hillary on video shooting somebody in the head that people would deny it and still vote for her.
PIRRO: Yes.
HANNITY: That's scary. Thank you, both.
When we come back, Heather Nauert is at the "Hannity" big board. We have brand new numbers on the state of the 2016 race. Also we'll get reaction from the one and only Patrick J. Buchanan. And later on, also new polling focusing on national security released, and the findings could help put Trump in the White House this fall. We will tell you why straight ahead.
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HANNITY: Welcome back to Hannity. So the conventions are just around the corner, and according to some brand new polling, the presidential election is up for grabs. Joining us now tonight with all the latest figures at the HANNITY big board is the one and only Heather Nauert of "Fox & Friends." Heather?
HEATHER NAUERT, HOST: Hi there, Sean. Of course, we are a long way from November, right. But with the conventions looming, the race for the White House could be tightening. According to a brand new Quinnipiac University poll, Trump and Clinton are nearly tied with Hillary Clinton getting 42 percent of the vote to Donald Trump's 40 percent. But according to a brand new FOX News poll that was released just a few hours ago, Clinton leads Trump by larger margins, taking 44 percent of the vote to Trump's 38 percent.
So Sean, what's significant about both of these polls is that each candidate is coming in well below 50 percent, and this means that there are a whole lot of undecided voters out there in America and that this race is literally up for grabs. That's it, Sean. Those are the numbers.
HANNITY: And the internals, you look and you see that on issues of national security and the economy, Trump is doing much better, and on trustworthiness.
NAUERT: Sean, thanks.
HANNITY: All right, Heather, thank you.
Joining us now with reaction the author of "The Greatest Comeback," Patrick J. Buchanan is with us. Sir, how are you?
PATRICK J. BUCHANAN, AUTHOR, "THE GREATEST COMEBACK": I'm doing fine, Sean. How are you?
HANNITY: I'm a little disgusted with Republicans in D.C. They don't seem to realize that the candidate that is going to be their nominate won with more votes than any other candidate in the history of the GOP, and I'm talking about people like Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. I'm getting a little sick of their sarcastic and unsupportive comments because I have never saw them fight Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton this hard.
BUCHANAN: I think there is no doubt about it that they are really unhappy with their choice and they're trying to get through it as best they can.
Look, everything is at stake here -- the presidency, the Supreme Court, the Congress of the United States. I think either everybody gets on board, either we all hang together, as Ben Franklin said, or we all hang separately.
I do think your numbers, Sean, that shows to me that's wide open. The country does not want Hillary Clinton. The Cruz, Trump voters don't want her. The independents don't want her. The Bernie voters don't want her, some of whom you can get. What Trump has to do is make himself a thoroughly acceptable alternative who has got some ideas that comport with where America is going.
HANNITY: It seems that's where he is headed. I have seen a major change in the last two weeks. They have a rapid response. They seem to have daily messaging. There seems to be less, I don't know what the word is, spontaneity as it relates to social media, so some campaign discipline has come on. Also he's given very, very detailed policy speeches about the economy, about foreign policy, on a number of other issues. It seems like this has now become a real general election campaign.
BUCHANAN: I think he is touching on the issues that can win him this election -- populism, patriotism, economic nationalism, Americanism rather than globalism, putting America first. Keep our guys out of foreign wars where vital interests aren't engaged. I think he has got the issue -- the issue deck, if you will, or the issue hand on these speeches.
And I agree with you, Sean, on immigration and trade are the two issues on which establishment folks like Ryan and like the leader of the United States Senate, they are more out of touch with the American people than any other issues. And I think Trump is right on them, and I think this Brexit vote proves that people want to get rid of bureaucrats in the capital and overthrow them and regain their sovereignty, regain their independence, regain their national right to decide for themselves.
HANNITY: That's the point that I think they missed. You had a column after Brexit, a Trump path to victory, because there is no doubt the issues are similar. The refugee issue is one. Immigration is certainly another. Loss of jobs because of unfair trade deals that we have accepted for many, many years. And I'm a free trader, but I also believe in fair trade.
I think that awful these issues are resonating, especially with 95 million Americans out of the labor force, 50 million in poverty, 46 million on food stamps, the American middle class is disintegrating. If you look at demographics, black Americans, Hispanic Americans, they have been disproportionately impacted negatively by the Obama economy, by globalism, by illegal immigration.
BUCHANAN: But you take a look at what Trump talked about in that trade speech. You know, 50,000 factories lost in the first decade of this century, 6 million jobs lost. Trade deficits since Bush one of $12 trillion, $4 trillion with the Chinese. Everybody knows Shanghai is booming because Detroit is dying. All these cities abroad, they are the consequence of America exporting factories and jobs rather than products.
And I think Hillary understands this. She was very much in there and NAFTA and GAPP and for China and all the rest of these gills. I think Trump is dead right on it.
HANNITY: Do you think she can rally the Democratic base, the 45 percent of Bernie voters that say they won't vote for her, by aligning herself with Elizabeth Warren? And who would be the best vp choice for Trump?
BUCHANAN: I think Elizabeth Warren -- I will say this, I think she will be effective in helping bring the Bernie voters home. But quite frankly Trump has a chance to get them on trade issue, on the jobs issue, and on the points you just made.
Look, when these jobs come back, African-Americans and Hispanic Americans and Asian Americans are going to be getting those jobs as well. I don't know who I would select for the vice president as I haven't given any names to you before. But I do think there is one problem here with Newt, which is that Newt was behind the WTO all the way. I remember those battles in those years. I was behind NAFTA and GAPP and all the rest of it.
HANNITY: I think Newt has taken on a more populist tone in recent years. Listening to him talk in this election, I think he sees the negative impact of immigration. I think he understands these trade deals are unfair.
BUCHANAN: You think he is seeing the light, huh?
HANNITY: Well, Pat, just because you are way ahead of the curve on immigration.
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BUCHANAN: No, it's because we were doing battle with those guys in those days. Bernie Sanders and I were together with --
HANNITY: That's embarrassment.
BUCHANAN: And Ralph Nader.
HANNITY: Bernie Sanders is not somebody you want to align yourself, Pat. We judge you by the company you keep. Thank you, sir.
BUCHANAN: Thank you.
HANNITY: Coming up, a new poll focused on national security, and it could prove to be a disaster for Hillary come November. We'll tell you why straight ahead.
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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So bad news for Hillary Clinton and liberals who were pushing for America to accept more immigrants and refugees from areas around the world that have ties to terrorism. We have a new Opinion Savvy poll about national security that shows a majority of you, the American people, are very concerned about taking in people from countries that practice sharia law. Just over 70 percent of those polls believe that supporters of sharia should be identified before being admitted to the U.S. And 80 percent said once sharia supporting individuals are identified they should not be admitted to the U.S. And 78 percent said that they believe that foreign visitors entering the U.S. should, quote, "affirm that they uphold principles of the constitution."
Joining us now, managing partner of Opinion Savvy Matt Towery and Washington Examiner contributor Lisa Boothe. Matt, I'll start with you. This is your survey. I have been saying forever, that if you come from a country that practices sharia, it is at cultural odds --
MATT TOWERY, MANAGING PARTNER, OPINION SAVVY: Right.
HANNITY: It is incompatible with our constitutional values.
TOWERY: Right.
HANNITY: Ana are you coming here to assimilate? Or are you coming here to indoctrinate and create a theocracy and advance your cause?
TOWERY: Absolutely. And it's a legitimate question. And American voters seem to agree with you. Like you said, a vast majority support identifying and then banning those who practice sharia law or support sharia law, and I don't think it should come as a surprise to us, honestly.
HANNITY: And you know, Lisa, here is a question. I can understand that if people grew up in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the UAE, or any of these countries, Saudi Arabia puts gays and lesbians to death. Women can't drive. Women are told how to dress. Women are given permission to go to school or work. And how do you ascertain that their heart is that they want freedom or they want to bring their values with them? There are 88 sharia courts in Great Britain because people didn't assimilate when they went there.
LISA BOOTHE, WASHINGTON EXAMINER CONTRIBUTOR: I think it's very difficult. I think it's troubling when you have the administration who is now saying that he want schools to teach children in their home languages versus English. That's a real problem because you do look at the lack of assimilation in Europe, particularly in Belgium, in a Brussels neighborhood like the Molenbeek area where we're seeing so many ISIS fighters come from because they're second, third generation Muslims who never assimilated, who don't feel that Belgium as a country is their home. And that's a big problem. I think what this poll specifically represents is the disconnect between the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton and their viewpoint, which is out of the realm of reality.
HANNITY: But there is one other factor. She took money from all these countries and she never spoke out against the practices, how they treat women, gays, lesbians, Christians and Jews. You can't build a church in Saudi Arabia. You can't temple in Saudi Arabia. She took up to $25 million, $10 million from the Clinton Foundation, and all of these other countries. How do you take money from people when you say you're the champion of these people they're abused in these countries?
BOOTHE: Sean, this is the alternate reality and universe that President Obama and Hillary Clinton live in. This is the disconnect between their viewpoint and not saying radical Islamic extremism as a threat and what Americans view as a very real threat as evidenced by this poll and just looking at the fact that 50 percent of Americans support a temporary ban. There is this real disconnect between the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton, and the American people.
HANNITY: So Matt, if I'm reading into this correctly, if Donald Trump used the words that you used in the poll, it would probably resonate with the American people, and maybe he just said it wrong, but I think that's what he meant.
TOWERY: I think you might be right, Sean. With this much support particularly among millennials, such as myself, who don't see a reason to tolerate intolerance, I think there could be some ground there for him to gain.
HANNITY: Yes.
All right, guys, good to see you, and we'll see you at the convention. You said you're going.
BOOTHE: I'll be there, looking forward to it. Thanks, Sean.
HANNITY: And coming up, we need your help. A really important "Question of the Day" is straight ahead.
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HANNITY: And time for our "Question of the Day." So do you think the left's incompetence has put your security, America's security at risk? Let's see, releasing Gitmo detainees, not securing the border, giving Iran $150 billion, the number one state sponsor of terror, not saying "radical Islam"? I think the answer is obvious, but we want to hear from you. Go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think.
Before we go, quick programming note, be sure to tune in tomorrow night, 10:00 eastern as Donald Trump will join us. Again, that's tomorrow at 10:00. But that is all the time we have left this evening. As always, thanks for being with us. We'll see you back here tomorrow night.
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