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Tucker Carlson: Billionaires, big corporations supporting riots across America

Tucker Carlson discusses Breonna Taylor case and the protests in its aftermath.

This is a rush transcript from “Tucker Carlson Tonight" September 23, 2020. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS HOST:  You're watching live pictures on your screen right now of Louisville, Kentucky. Another American city caught up in the chaos of 2020. 

In Louisville tonight, the grand jury has issued its decision in the Breonna Taylor case, rioters assembled immediately. They were already there waiting for it. We'll be watching the situation as it unfolds in Louisville all evening long. We will have a live report for you from that city in just a moment. 

But first tonight, good evening and welcome to TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT. 

The chaos you were watching the promise of potential violence tonight. All began with a tragedy that took place six months ago. 

In March, three Louisville police officers served a search warrant at the apartment of a woman called Breonna Taylor. They knocked outside, they announced they were from the police department and then they entered the apartment. 

Once they did, a man called Kenneth Walker opened fire on them. Walker was Breonna Taylor's boyfriend. He was also supposedly a drug dealer. That's one of the reasons the police were there. 

Walker admits that he fired first and that he shot a police officer. In response, the cops fired back. By the time Kenneth Walker surrendered, Breonna Taylor, who was in another room in the apartment had been fatally wounded. 

Those are the facts of the case. It's a very sad story. Nobody disputes that. Awful things sometimes happen, despite the best efforts of everyone involved to prevent them from happening. That's the truth. 

But the truth was not enough for BLM. BLM seeks political power, it's a political organization. In order to get that power they need to keep America angry and divided. Americans divided against each other. 

So BLM lied about how Breonna Taylor died. BLM activists claim that Louisville police broke into Taylor's apartment without warning. They claimed cops used a so-called no knock warrant to surprise Taylor while she was sleeping and then they shot her. 

They described her killing as a murder. Yet, another horrifying example of systemic racist violence against African-Americans by the police. That's what they said. It was a lie. But because BLM said it, virtually no one challenged their version of it and many responded to that version. 

This summer, Louisville City Council unanimously passed something called Breonna's Law. It bans no-knock raids. In Washington, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul introduced the so-called Justice for Breonna Taylor Act that would ban Federal no-knock warrants. All of those responses were based on a story that at its most basic level was not true. 

This summer a tenant in Breonna Taylor's apartment complex told "The New York Times" he heard police officers shout "police" and then knocked three times before they entered her apartment. That was all but ignored. 

Today, the Attorney General of Kentucky Daniel Cameron confirmed that it's true. There is, he said, uncontested evidence from an independent citizen witness that despite would BLM has claimed for half a year, police were not in fact executing a no-knock warrant on Breonna Taylor's apartment. Watch. 

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DANIEL CAMERON, KENTUCKY STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL:  Evidence shows that officers both knocked and announced their presence at the apartment. The officers' statements about their announcement are corroborated by an independent witness who was near in a proximity to Apartment 4. In other words, the warrant was not served as a no-knock warrant. 

(END VIDEO CLIP) 

CARLSON:  So there you have it. The facts of the case -- and we've seen this before -- are not what we were told they were because real life is always more complicated than political propaganda. 

There is no evidence of any kind that Breonna Taylor was murdered because she was black. That is a lie. It's a lie designed to divide the country and make the people telling it more powerful. 

Instead, it seems clear that Taylor was shot accidentally because her boyfriend opened fire on the police in a dark apartment and he may have done that accidentally. Yet, in the end, the facts of the case didn't matter. BLM's version had marinated unchallenged for six months. The mob had assembled in Louisville abetted by a reckless media and paid by someone. 

As the grand jury prepared its decision, Louisville girded for what they knew what was coming, so authorities declared a state of emergency. Police blocked roads. Businesses nailed plywood over their windows. Even the local Children's Hospital boarded up its entrance. The doctors and nurses inside knew they were not safe from the mob. 

Today, the grand jury finally announced his decision. Here it is: one officer, a man called Brett Hankison has been indicted; indicted on three counts of wanton endangerment. Hankison was not charged with shooting and killing Breonna Taylor. Instead, the grand jury found that by firing 10 rounds, Hankison may have acted recklessly. 

Keep in mind, Hankison only fired his gun after one of his partners had been shot by Kenneth Walker. So should Hankison not have returned fire? How many rounds is a cop allowed to discharge once someone starts shooting at him? No one answered those questions. 

And in fact, it's hard to believe we'd be having conversations this absurd, much less discussing Officer Hankison's indictment if Biden voters weren't in the streets, making threats and demanding it. 

In other words, the mob is now in charge of our justice system. They're clearly having an influence on it in Louisville and other cities. We've given you examples before. 

What kind of country is that? But the mob wants more. One indictment and yet another fake hate crime isn't enough. They want blood. Watch. 

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  All y'all get ready to [bleep] die. 

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CARLSON:  "Get ready to die," he says to the cop. Who says that? A terrorist says that, "Get ready to die." But it's not just police officers who have been targeted by the mob, it's the entire city of Louisville.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Ain't nobody going nowhere today. 

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CARLSON:  In Louisville, authorities have acted more decisively tonight than authorities in many other cities have responded this summer. They've called in the National Guard. Local police have also moved in apparently in force. But the mob is still destroying businesses and private property.

There are too many for police to contain. Watch this. 

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GROUP:  No justice, no peace. [Bleep] these racist ass police. 

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CARLSON:  So this is how America works now. You don't like a grand jury decision, so you break things and you hurt people and you steal what isn't yours. That's how we function now. 

But no country can function for long under that standard, things will fall apart. And that, of course is the point of the riots. They have got nothing to do with Breonna Taylor, most of these thugs are nothing about her. Quiz them. 

The point, by contrast is to break America, to overthrow our system, to replace it with something else with other people in charge. That's what this is about. It's a coordinated effort and it's a well-funded effort. 

Watch the mob unload a U-Haul, full of sign shields and other riot supplies today. 

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CARLSON:  So the obvious question is, who is paying for all of this? Who is organizing it? Is organized and it's expensive. And someone is doing that? 

We have some leads tonight into who rented the U-Haul truck you just saw, and as we find more, we'll bring it to you of course. 

But the broad outlines are already clear and have been for a while. The most privileged people in our society are funding our society's destruction. Just this afternoon, as the riots raged, the blow dried revolutionaries at "Cosmopolitan" magazine in New York "Cosmo," tweeted instructions on how to help the rioters, quote: "The Louisville Community Bail Fund is using donations to bail out protesters and provide post release support to get them from jail fed into a situation of safety.

Donate now." 

Donate now. That's the command from the Hearst Corporation. That's the company that owns "Cosmopolitan." Hearst is not a small player in publishing, Hearst made more than $11 billion last year. So billionaires are pushing riots. Okay. We've seen a lot of that recently. Why are they doing this? 

Well, the same reason, Kamala Harris solicited donations to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which has paid bail for attempted cop killers and convicted rapists. The same reason several Joe Biden for President staffers did the same thing. The same reason George Soros funds radical DAs who encourage more crime and allow people to get murdered. 

Why are they doing this? Because they want to destabilize the country and by doing that, create a diversion. The more people are angry at each other, the more enraged they are at cops making 50 grand a year who effectively have no power. The less focused the country is on the misdeeds of Silicon Valley and Wall Street, so that's why they're paying for it. 

And the media? Well, they bow to their corporate masters and they play along as they always do. Just this afternoon, the Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron said he opposes mob violence. You would expect of course, an Attorney General to oppose mob violence. The whole point of law enforcement is to oppose mob violence. 

So to the people who care about America, it wasn't a controversial statement. Here's what he said. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) 

CAMERON:  If we simply act on emotion or outrage, there is no justice. Mob justice is not justice. Justice sought by violence is not justice. 

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CARLSON:  "Mob justice is not justice." That used to be the most obvious possible observation, particularly coming from someone in the south, which for a long time had a problem with mob justice. You probably thought we all agreed that was bad. 

You probably heard the Attorney General of Kentucky say that and think, "That sounds sensible to me." But over at CNN, they were enraged. CNN knows that mob justice isn't just worth having. In fact, it's the substance of the Democratic platform in 2020. So they attacked him for saying it. Watch this. 

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BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN ANCHOR:  I question the judgment of the Kentucky Attorney General saying quote, "Mob justice is not justice." He said it becomes revenge. That were the mob, and the President having said that, if Joe Biden wins, the mob wins. That's what he says. We know this is very politically loaded language. 

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CARLSON:  Look at yourself in the mirror, CNN anchor. What are you doing?

You know what you're doing? You're encouraging violence. Criticizing violence is quote, "very politically loaded language." She is scolding us.

Really? That's what they're saying. 

You will hear CNN anchors a lecture Kentucky's Attorney General for calling out rioters for destroying businesses. But you only hear them say a word about what aired on MSNBC today. We were watching. Here it is. 

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Your death is irrelevant to the law in the State of Kentucky. Your death doesn't matter. Your life doesn't matter. This was a black lives don't matter ruling. 

NICOLLE WALLACE, MSNBC HOST:  If you're not safe in your house, and you're not safe on the streets, WTF, I mean, where do we go from here? 

JASON JOHNSON, JOURNALISM AND POLITICS PROFESSOR, MORGAN STATE UNIVERSITY: 

Yes. You're not safe anywhere because I can't go anywhere, Nicolle. If I go jogging, I can end up like Ahmaud Arbery. 

You can't go anywhere if you're black. 

(END VIDEO CLIP) 

CARLSON:  It's all such a lie. It's a lie. It's a demonstrable lie. The statistics don't back it up. The experience of your life no matter what color you are doesn't back it up, and the fact that hundreds of thousands of people every year move here who are black -- to the United States is living refutation of what they just said. Nothing about that is true, and they know it's not true. 

The guy who said it had a PhD. You can't go anywhere if you're black. Yes.

He says from a TV studio. 

But that's the unified message of the American media. Again, they know it's not true. They know that Taylor didn't die in a no-knock police raid. Her death is sad. It's a tragedy. But it wasn't an act of racism. There's no evidence for that. 

And if there was we would admit it, but they don't care. All they care about is getting enough people to believe that this dystopia that they describe is real. Why? It's an election year. 

If enough property burns, if enough public streets are impassable. In the end, people may decide I'll vote for Joe Biden to make it stop. 

But what then? If Joe Biden wins on November 3rd, billion dollar corporations like Hearst will be fine. The billionaires paying for all this, stocking the U-Haul with riot supplies will be fine. But where will you be? You'll be on your own. 

In a moment, we're going to talk to Bob Woodson about all of this, he always has a wise overview. But first we're going to go to our Matt Finn.

There was some action on the ground just seconds ago and we want to hear from him about what it was. Hey, Matt. 

MATT FINN, FOX NEWS CHANNEL CORRESPONDENT:  Yes, Tucker. There's a lot of action right now. You could see these BearCats, the SWAT team moving in right now into Jefferson Park Square in downtown Louisville. This park for quite some time now has been Ground Zero for demonstrations and protests. 

Several fires were lit here tonight. In fact, there's some small fires that are still burning. A short while ago we watched protesters light fire to the Justice Center and throw bottles at police. Now, police they have declared an unlawful assembly over a very loud, loud speaker and they warned people that if they did not clear this area and their unlawful assembly that there would be chemical agents or arrests being made. 

They gave fair warnings over and over again, and now that is what's happening here. Over to my left, there are hundreds of officers in SWAT gear. They're basically just trying to reclaim this area that a lot of people were gathering in that unlawful assembly. 

For right now, much more calm than it was just a short while ago when people were hurling objects at police and lighting small fires outside of the Criminal Justice Center -- Tucker. 

CARLSON:  Matt Finn on the ground for us in Louisville. We will see you in just a second. 

Wow. Those are live pictures. We're going to bring in Bob Woodson now, who is one of the first people we turn to in moments like this to make sense of it. What do you think is going on here, Mr. Woodson? 

ROBERT WOODSON, FOUNDER, WOODSON CENTER:  Well, first of all, Tucker, your assessment of the situation is spot on. There's an old African proverb that when bull elephants fight, the grass always loses. 

In this situation, the losers are poor blacks. I've spent my entire professional life working on behalf of poor people of all races, but particularly low income blacks and I can tell you that they are the ones who are suffering. 

It means that if police are downtown, policing riot, it means they're not in the neighborhoods protecting them. 

CARLSON:  That's right. 

WOODWARD:  If some of these extremists demand that police be withdrawn and defunded, it means that this a death sentence for young people in these neighborhoods because there's a direct correlation between reduction in police presence and increase in violence and murder. 

More blacks, Tucker, are killed in one year by other blacks than was killed in 50 years of the lynchings done by the Klan. We have a 9/11 every six months. 

In Chicago, last week, a community group was appealing to buy bulletproof backpacks and bulletproof baseball caps and they had little children trying to warn, showing people how to use them and they are saying because the city has neglected us, and so bulletproof backpacks and they're not buying these to protect themselves from the police as Kamala Harris and the celebrities are saying. 

There continue to propagate this lie that the biggest threat to black young men is coming from the police, and that is just a lie intended to keep black America inflamed and agitated, so they can be controlled. 

We are supporting a group of black mothers call Mama's Rescue and they are a group of mothers who lost children to urban violence, and they're saying nobody is listening to us. I spent the whole day with them Saturday, and they want to say -- and they are saying they are solidly behind the police. 

But no one really listens to the people in those communities suffering the problem because they have -- they deserve to be heard from -- but they are the ones who are losing. 

We lost 20 children in Chicago in the last year, 700 blacks that were killed. But bulletproof backpacks? They have resorted to that. And the answers can be found where the problem is, and that is supporting grassroots leaders like the Alliance of Concerned Men in Washington, D.C.

that had created a zone of peace for the last three months. 

But no one comes there to talk about investing in groups in those communities that in fact, have begun to redirect the children away from self-destructive behavior. But instead we're saying it is related to institutional racism. 

CARLSON:  I don't think "Cosmopolitan" magazine is raising any money for grieving black mothers in Chicago or Washington. I think you're right about that. 

Robert Woodson, I always appreciate it, and I know our viewers do. Thank you. 

WOODSON:  Thank you, Tucker. 

CARLSON:  So the pictures on your screen right now are from Louisville, Kentucky. But there are incidents apparently breaking out in a number of cities in the country tonight in response to this grand jury verdict in which if you're just joining us, one police officer was indicted for reckless behavior for returning fire. 

So the chaos that we're watching is organized -- that is obvious. Provably true. So will there be consequences? Will we find out who is paying for this? Who is behind it?

We'll investigate after the break. 

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CARLSON:  Welcome back. We've got live pictures on the screen right now from Louisville, Kentucky where rioting has broken out following a grand jury decision this afternoon. One police officer indicted in the shooting of Breonna Taylor back in March. That was not enough for the rioters, so they are destroying the city. 

Why are they doing this? And who is paying for it? Well, some of the richest corporations and the most famous celebrities in the country are paying for it. They're openly supporting violence in Louisville today as they openly supported it in Minneapolis several months ago. 

As we mentioned earlier, the multibillion dollar Hearst Corporation, the publishing concern is soliciting donations to a fund for the rioters, so is an actor called Dan Levy. Levy tweeted this today, quote: "Disgusted.

Enraged. Heartbroken. Please contribute if you can. Justice should not be a luxury. #BreonnaTaylor." 

Meanwhile, a woman called Linda Sarsour, kind of left-wing gadfly who most recently spoke at the Democratic Party's Convention in August tweeted this today, quote: "Rise up. All across this country. Everywhere. Rise up for Breonna Taylor." 

This is all in the open. They're calling for violence openly. How can this happen? And what are the consequences? 

Matt Walsh has been following it every day of it. He's the host of "The Matt Walsh Show" and we're always happy to have him here. Matt, thanks for coming on. So if people are not even pretending anymore, they're just rise up. What does that mean? What could it mean, other than what it obviously means? 

MATT WALSH, HOST, "THE MATT WALSH SHOW":  Yes, they're not pretending anymore and that's why I think we have to we have to just keep emphasizing although I guess the truth doesn't matter anymore to -- it certainly doesn't matter to the rioters, but we should emphasize as you did that, you know, everything we've heard about the Breonna Taylor case is a lie. It was not a no-knock warrant. They did knock. They did announce themselves. 

They only fired because the boyfriend shot at the police first and also, they weren't there randomly. The police had -- Breonna Taylor was on the warrant. They had reason to believe that she was involved in her ex- boyfriend, her convicted drug dealer ex-boyfriend's drug trade, and, you know, jailhouse conversations that the ex-boyfriend had recorded seems to confirm that fact, or at least early strongly indicated. 

So, you know, all of that is false. But we know that the BLM narrative is false every single time. You look at all the cases this summer, Ricardo Munoz, Deon Kay, Jacob Blake, George Floyd, all of the narratives there are false, it doesn't matter, because we know that police brutality is just a pretense that's used. 

I mean, they had the riot shields and the signs there regardless. They were going to use them no matter what the grand jury said. It's all just a pretense for this radical left-wing insurrection, this well-funded, coordinated insurrection. I think that's what this is, and it's a pretense for that. 

And I think the Feds need to be hunting down the people coordinating this and charging them with sedition because that's what we're looking at. 

CARLSON:  Well, sure. I mean, if I went on Twitter and said, send money to Hezbollah, I have the feeling I'd be shut down fairly quickly. And I have the feeling if I kept it up, the Justice Department would get involved. 

People get on Twitter, famous people, very famous people, big corporations and raise money for rioters who are wrecking our country. And everyone says, well, that's completely cool. Why? 

WALSH:  Well, I think the reason people say it's cool, or at least they tolerate it is because most -- many Americans anyway, have still been sort of cowed into submitting to this lie that at the end of the day, this is about racial injustice. 

And so if you speak up against it, then you're racist, or if someone -- even if it's a famous celebrity, LeBron James, you know, is a multimillionaire, superstar celebrity always going around talking about how he was terrified to be a black man in America, somehow I doubt it. 

But you -- people are afraid to say anything about it, because they think that they will be sort of disregarding the anger and angst of these rioters. But it's all a farce. 

I mean, Black Lives Matter, their website, just in the last few days, they scrubbed some parts of their website. Their "What We Believe" section used to say things like, we want to dismantle the nuclear family. Well, at some point in the last few days, they took all that stuff off. And I think the reason is that they realized that more Americans are waking up to the fact that this is all just a pretense for a far left radical agenda that has nothing to do with racial justice, and so now, they're trying to cover their tracks a little bit. 

CARLSON:  But I mean, to some extent, it's on us, isn't it? I mean, we're putting up with this. I mean, I hate to say this out loud, but I'm going to. If you want a business in Louisville and the authorities said, well, there's going to be a riot because the rioters don't like a grand jury decision. Why wouldn't you just put a beach chair right in front of your business and say, I'm defending my business, my property, my life, I have a right to defend it, and I'm going to. I'm not going to board it up. 

This is America. We don't take orders from rioters. Like what is this? Why is no one doing that? 

WALSH:  Well, I agree with you. But then also you have to keep in mind the position that these business owners are and we've seen this happen already, where if they defend their business, then next thing you know, they could be going to jail for that. 

So it's like, either let someone burn down your business or defend it. And the next thing you know, you're in prison, and that's the position that a lot of these state governments have put people in. 

CARLSON:  Yes, we're requiring cowardice of our population. It's really corrosive, I think. Matt Walsh, you've been a brave voice on these questions from day one, and I really appreciate it. Thank you. 

WALSH:  Thanks a lot. 

CARLSON:  Well, Democrats are running an entire presidential campaign on the notion that police are racists and they're terrorists. That's in the Democratic Party's platform. So what are the consequences of it? This is a war on police. Where does it leave the rest of us? 

Danny Coulson has thought a lot about it. He's a former Deputy Assistant Director of the F.B.I. and he joins us tonight. Danny, thanks so much for coming on. Where does this leave the rest of us? 

I think we may have lost transmission from Danny Coulson and we're sorry about that. Okay. We're going to go back to him when we get that line back up and running. 

But the question is, at this point, once Democrats defund the police, who will the rest of us turn to and who will Democrats turn to? But one city has an answer to that question. They're going to turn to pimps. We'll explain, next. 

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CARLSON:  This is a live look at Louisville, Kentucky. Demonstrations are continuing following the grand jury's verdict there today. We will have an update from the ground coming up in just a minute. 

So the question is when all the police are gone -- and that is the goal, that's stated goal of BLM -- where will the rest of us be? And who will replace them exactly? Well, the City of Seattle has thought about this maybe more than anyone else, and this week, delivered an answer. 

We learned that Seattle began paying $12,500.00 a month to a pimp -- a pimp called Andre Taylor. Pimp Taylor boasts that he can communicate with quote, "gang members, pimps and prostitutes" who won't sit down with anyone else.

Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan, probably the worst mayor ever. I don't know, she and de Blasio are in the running for it. She says she is proud of the deal. 

She says the pimp's lived experience is invaluable. You know, pimps, the ones who beat hookers with coat hangers? It's valuable. It is valuable experience. 

In 2016, for example, the pimp vowed to quote "go to war" with Seattle after police shot and killed his brother. So are pimps the solution the rest of us have been searching for, but couldn't quite articulate until the geniuses in Seattle came up with it? It's possible. 

Jason Rantz hosts a radio show in Seattle, and he joins us tonight. Jason, thanks for coming on. So pimps are the answer to Seattle's future. 

JASON RANTZ, SEATTLE RADIO SHOW HOST:  Well, clearly, that's not your go-to solution when dealing with civil unrest and crime, oh, no, because you're not a crazy person. And yet in Seattle, we decided to give this kind of power to someone -- and this is directly from the actual contract. He is supposed to offer expertise and support services in de-escalation and alternatives to policing. 

This is someone who at the time of CHOP was out there trying to communicate and come up with deals for people to give up on CHOP so they can get up to one or $2 million dollars going into sort of nebulously defined community service groups that can help address some of the problems. 

He said he was going to be the go-between. That failed, but it sounds like he has actually been rewarded with this $150,000.00 contract. So where you screw up in Seattle, you get a little bit of a leg up while all these rap lyrics talk about how hard it is to be a pimp. It turns out, all you have to do is come to Seattle. 

CARLSON:  But I'm confused. I mean, pimping is human trafficking. That's what human trafficking is and when we say we're against human trafficking, we're saying we're against pimping. 

It's selling other people. So now, the City of Seattle has endorsed human trafficking. I mean, this seems like a big change, or maybe not. 

RANTZ:  So it's not that big of a change. Now, he's an ex-pimp. So I guess you have to go to ex-pimps for this kind of issues, even though we have a prolific offender problem. 

But there was a controversy just a few months ago, in which the SPD had come out and said, we're actually going to start making arrests of prostitutes, and then their pimps, and the Council went insane because you're not supposed to go after sex workers. It's like a protected class. 

So in Seattle, like so many other progressive cities, they take a very evolved look in their view at this trade. It is really, really bizarre. 

CARLSON:  We say we're for women, but we degrade motherhood. We elevate prostitution and pimping. We sanctify abortion. It doesn't sound like we're really for women, does it? 

RANTZ:  No, it's not for women at all. Again, there are so many people who like to virtue signal. It's the appearance of being for women. It's the appearance of being for people of color. However, we just fired a hundred police officers, we're getting ready to fire 100 police officers and we're running other cops out of town and yet again, we're now normalizing pimps. 

CARLSON:  Yes, human trafficking in Seattle. Jason Rantz, it's great to see you tonight. Thank you. 

RANTZ:  Good to see you, Tucker. 

CARLSON:  So we're hiring pimps, getting rid of the cops, and hiring human traffickers. Mark Steyn, one of the very few people on television who has the whole sweep of history in mind as he assesses the present, and so we're happy to have him on tonight to consider what's going on in our country.

What is going on in our country, Mark? 

MARK STEYN, AUTHOR AND COLUMNIST:  Well, just to pick up on what you and Jason were talking about, in fairness to being a pimp, it's a real job.

Yes, you get to beat up lots of women. You treat women appallingly. You deal in human trafficking. But it's a real job. It's a hard job. It's a tough job. 

What Mr. Taylor is now doing is a non-job, and he is getting 150 grand for it. 

CARLSON:  Good point. 

STEYN:  Which is actually more than most state governors get. I think he makes more than 30 governors, including my own in New Hampshire. And we all know this the left know it, the MSNBC guys know it. This is a joke. 

If you were seriously interested in any of the issues that have been roiling America for the last six months, you would not be appointing a pimp as a street czar for 150 grand. That's just the usual attitude striking nonsense, which is why certain jurisdictions in this country are in permanent decline. 

One reason China is now the number one power in the world is because it doesn't actually have to pay ex-pimps to become diversity-kratz on handsome six figure salaries that we all know are non-jobs, and aren't going to do anything for the alleged issues roiling the country. 

CARLSON:  So why are we paying our taxes? I mean, just quick question. Let me wake up from the dead sleep and say, quick, Mark, why are we paying our taxes? A sincere question. 

STEYN:  Yes. And I think there's something to be said, if I was a taxpayer in Seattle, if you look at other cities in America, where your businesses are ruined, your businesses are trashed. You can't even board up your shattered ruined business in Minneapolis, because you have to pay your taxes a year up front, before they'll let you put some plywood in the window. 

So I think there would be something to be said for a conscientious objector movement, at least against municipal and state taxes until they get serious about this thing. But as I said, we all know these jobs are jokes.

Sometimes they are harmless jokes. 

Michelle Obama was getting 350 grand to be a diversity-krat because her husband was considered useful to the people paying her and then when she went to Washington to become First Lady, her job was so critical to Chicago, of a 350 grand job, nobody even replaced her. 

These jobs are a joke. They're part of the reason we are a civilization in decline, and as long as you're talking about streets czars and 150 grand, you're not serious and you've got no contribution to make to the conversation. 

CARLSON:  It's exactly right. The left is at war with nature. In the end, they will lose that war because nature always wins. But in the meantime, they're breaking everything. Nicely said. 

STEYN:  Absolutely. 

CARLSON:  Mark Steyn, great to see you. Thank you. 

STEYN:  Thanks a lot, Tucker. 

CARLSON:  Well, we do have evolving news out of the City of Louisville.

There are local reports there of a shooting. We knew that was coming amidst the chaos. We will have more information on that on the other side of the break. We'll be right back. 

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DOBBS:  We've got a FOX News alert for you. Reports coming into us right now from our FOX station in Louisville, WDRB. A reporter there tells us, a police officer apparently was shot in the middle of these riots tonight. A live report as we have more information on that. Again, that's what we just heard. So we'll fill you in on the details as we get them. 

Democrats meanwhile have spent the last six months telling us that police are racists and terrorists. That's literally in the Democratic Party platform. This is a war on police. It's going to have long term effects for the country, including on you and your family. What will those effects be? 

We tried to ask Danny Coulson that question earlier in the show. The shot went down, but we wanted to hear his answer. So we're glad to have him back. He is the former Deputy Assistant Director of the F.B.I. Danny, thanks and welcome back. 

DANNY COULSON, FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE F.B.I.: Thank you. 

CARLSON:  So what are the consequences of this long term for us, do you think? 

COULSON:  Oh my gosh. If you destabilize the police and defund them, then what you're going to have ultimately, Tucker, is nature doesn't like voids and they will fill a void and that's where vigilante activity comes in. 

CARLSON:  Yes. 

COULSON:  If police won't protect us, then the society individually and in groups will start protecting themselves. You're going to see more balkanization of our country, more people living in isolation, hiring more private security and private bodyguards, and maybe even worse than that, taking their own action to go out and defend themselves, which I think they should do. But then that can lead all kinds of problems. 

So we need the police. We don't have to hire much more pimps. That's not going to solve the problem. Police are here for a reason. 

The first duty of a society is protect its citizens. That's when we get together at the dawn of time to do that and to demonize police. First of all, it's a lie. They're not racist. Individuals may be, but institutions, they are not. 

And it's time for the Federal government to step up and do its job here and go after these guys. They are criminal violations and they should be investigated. 

CARLSON:  Yes, we didn't put up with this from John Gotti, we shouldn't put it up with this from BLM. 

COULSON:  Exactly. 

CARLSON:  And you make such a wise point about vigilantism and balkanization. I mean, it is absolutely impossible to buy small arms ammunition online right now. 

COULSON:  No. 

CARLSON:  You're also seeing people hire private security and that tells you everything about how people feel right now, doesn't it? 

COULSON:  They're terrified. Tucker, I've lived in the world of violence for most of my life and I'm afraid right now. I'm afraid for my wife to go shopping. I'm afraid for my grandchildren to be out in public. And that's probably the reaction with regard to fear. 

But and I live in a very safe state, by the way, in Texas. My home county is very safe. But I'm concerned about my friends in Oregon. My son is a policeman there. I've talked to them every day. 

People in the communities in Oregon are now concerned about Antifa and Black Lives Matter coming into the suburbs, and setting American flags on fire. So we really need the police and we need the police on the local level and the Federal level to step up and go after these guys to enforce the law. We do that, we're good. 

CARLSON:  Justice unifies us. Law enforcement unifies us as a country and lack of it divides us. I'm so glad you said that. I'm glad we got your camera going. Danny Carlson. Thank you. 

COULSON:  Thanks, Tucker. 

CARLSON:  We made mistake at the top of the show and we want to correct it as we always do. We flipped the names around of a couple of people inadvertently. We said police believed Breonna Taylor's boyfriend was a drug dealer, we might have been. We meant to say her ex-boyfriend, a man called Jamarcus Glover. We wanted to correct that. Sorry. 

Well, there's news on the ground in Louisville. We now know a police officer was just shot there in the midst of the rioting. We're gathering those details. We're going to have a live report in just a second as soon as we get them, so we'll be right back.  

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CARLSON:  We are bringing you back with a FOX News alert. We can't confirm now that a police officer has in fact been shot in the riots in Louisville.

It's disgusting. 

Demonstrations and chaos have been going on in that city since early this afternoon when a grand jury reached a verdict in the Breonna Taylor case. 

Matt Finn is in Louisville for us right now and joins us -- Matt. 

FINN:  Tucker, the shooting happened a distance from us, so we don't have any eyewitness information to bring you, but we're going to keep you updated on that. 

A Louisville police officer apparently shot here tonight in the city happening right now. Police have declared this area an unlawful assembly and over the past hour or so, they have been coming on over the loudspeaker warning people to clear the area because they started lighting fires, some of which you can still see. 

They started throwing objects at police and police declared it an unlawful assembly and they warned everyone to clear this area. Right now, it is much calmer than it was just a short while ago. 

We have officers in their SWAT gear. We have BearCats, and they are kind of going back and forth between an ongoing standoff with some protesters who are coming up and screaming and yelling at them. But this is a much calmer and less dangerous situation than a short while ago. 

Earlier in the day today, there was a large crowd here, people chanting profanities against police. People screaming in officers faces, throwing objects at them. So they ultimately established a little bit of peace here in this area right now -- Tucker. 

CARLSON:  Yes. Okay. Matt Finn, I appreciate it. Thank you. 

So there is video out there, we just saw some of it. We can't confirm it so we're not going to put it on tonight, but you should look for it yourself -

- of shots going off in Louisville. People running under an overpass very, very loud. Screaming they're shooting at cops. 

Clearly, someone was shooting a cops because as we just told you, one of them was just hit. We don't know his condition. Unfortunately, we don't have those details. But we will have them. They'll be ignored by the other channels. 

But the macro question is this and it's the one that all of us should meditate on. Why is this happening? It's happening because a grand jury, representative citizens who represent our justice system, the fairest in the world, and one of the oldest in the world. A system that has served us very well for almost 250 years, a group of angry violent dumb people didn't like it. 

And they were abetted, they were funded by some of those privileged people in our society. What does that tell you? If you don't like a court decision, you get to shoot cops? You get to set businesses on fire? You get to destroy cities? 

That's a precedent that we have set and that we have confirmed again and again and again since Memorial Day weekend. 

That's not a precedent we can live with. Things will fall apart unless someone takes control and makes it really clear that just because you don't like a decision that our system produces, you don't have the right to hurt people. Period. A lot is at stake. 

Our coverage of this continues with Sean Hannity who takes over in about 10 seconds. We'll be back tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. Here is Sean. 

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