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Tucker: America's political elite have been working on behalf of China

'Tucker Carlson Tonight' host calls out powerful lawmakers for standing by while Beijing harmed US

This is a rush transcript from "Tucker Carlson Tonight" December 7, 2020. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS HOST:  Good evening and welcome to TUCKER CARLSON
TONIGHT. Today is the anniversary of the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor.
Thousands of Americans died. That was the day that we entered the Second
World War. 

It seems like a good time to consider the threats this country faces now,
79 years later. At the top of the list of threats, anyone in Washington
will tell you and has, is Russia. Russia has penetrated our government.
Russia threatens our democracy. Russia works tirelessly to subvert our
economy and our way of life. 

Since the day Donald Trump was elected in 2016, they have told us this.
They are endlessly complex, serialized collusion hoax dominated our public
conversation for years. 

Of course, it was a lie and we're all aware of that. 

Russia never had the power or the money to control our government, and
there's no evidence they even tried. But that doesn't mean and this is the
key that there was no collusion. 

In fact, there was collusion. Top leaders in American government and
business have been compromised by a foreign power that seeks to undermine
our country and our democratic system. 

It turns out that many of the very people who ranted so hysterically about
Russia were even as they were doing it, even as they were yelling about
Vladimir Putin. In fact, they were doing precisely what they claim to
decry. They were working on behalf of a foreign power, our chief global
rival, the government of China. 

The Russia hoax effectively was a diversion. It hid something that is not a
hoax at all, but it is real and threatening to all of us. We're going to
spend the foreseeable future reporting on the relationship between
America's political and financial elites and the communist government of
China that has made many of them very rich. 

But we want to start tonight with evidence, with a remarkable video. This
video was recorded a little over a week ago on November 28th. The man
you're about to see speak is a professor from Beijing called Di Dongsheng.
The video comes from an appearance that he made on a Chinese television
show about Wall Street and international trade. 

Di Dongsheng works at Renmin University in Beijing. He is also like so many
in academia in China, a servant of his country's government. This video was
deleted from Chinese social media soon after being uploaded. And there's a
reason for that, as you'll see. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) 

DI DONGSHENG, PROFESSOR, RENMIN UNIVERSITY (TEXT):  The Trump
administration is in a trade war with us, so why can't we fix the Trump
administration? Why between 1992 and 2016 did China and U.S. used to be
able to settle all kinds of issues? No matter what kind of crises we
encountered be it the Yinhe incident, the bombing of the embassy or the
crashing of the plane. 

Things were resolved in no time, like (a couple) do with their quarrels
starting at the bedhead and ending at the bed end. 

We fixed everything in two months. What is reason? I am going to throw out
something maybe a little bit explosive here. It's just because we have
people at the top. 

At the top of America's core inner circle of power and influence, we have
our old friends. 

(END VIDEO CLIP) 

CARLSON:  There's a lot of garbage floating around on the internet right
now, a lot of fake things. That video is real and those subtitles are
accurate. We checked today with two different Chinese speakers and
confirmed that. 

What he just said, what you just read on the screen tells the story. This
is as close to a smoking gun as we have ever seen. Quote, "We have people
at the top of America's core inner circle of power and influence."
According to the man who just saw that has been true for decades. 

So who are these people? And how many of them work in our media and in our
government? Well, he didn't say precisely. At one point in the video he
described a Chinese agent working as a Vice President at a quote, "a top
Wall Street financial institution." I can't say more, he explained without
making political trouble. 

Di Dongsheng did tell his audience that one agent in particular was
especially useful. He goes on at some length about her. He describes her as
an American who's lived abroad for many years, who is now a Chinese
citizen, and this seems to baffle him a little bit. 

The Chinese government doesn't allow dual citizenship. Why would they? Why
would anyone? Di Dongsheng seems pleased that the U.S. government is
foolish enough to allow it. 

He explains that this American agent who lives at least part of the year in
Beijing, helped the Chinese government with a propaganda operation in the
City of Washington in 2015. And he goes on to describe that in some detail.
The Obama administration was easy to manipulate, he suggests. They helped.
The Chinese had many friends among the Obama people. 

The problem came when Donald Trump was elected. After that, he says,
everything changed. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) 

DONGSHEHG (TEXT):  for the past 30 years, 40 years, we have been utilizing
the core power of the United States. As I said before, since the 1970s,
Wall Street had a very strong influence on the domestic affairs of the
United States, so we had a channel to rely on. 

But the problem is that after 2008, the status of Wall Street has declined
and more importantly, after 2016, Wall Street can't fix Trump. Why? Trump
had a previous soft default issue with Wall Street, so there was a conflict
between them, but I won't go into the details. 

So during the U.S.-China trade war, they (Wall Street) tried to help and I
know that, my friends on the U.S. side told me that they tried to help, but
they couldn't do much. 

(END VIDEO CLIP) 

CARLSON:  Since the 1970s, he said, and he's an Economics Professor, you
should know, Wall Street has had enormous influence over the way the United
States government operates over American policy. 

The Chinese government, he says has enormous influence on Wall Street and
that arrangement worked very well for a long time. Then Donald Trump
unexpectedly was elected in 2016 and Wall Street was infuriated. 

Wall Street can't fix Trump, he said, but they tried. And this solves the
mystery. 

If you're wondering why our political class has stood by and allowed the
Chinese government to degrade this country and our way of life, why they
stood by as the Chinese government has flooded the United States with
deadly opioids that have killed hundreds of thousands of people, or have
stood by as the Chinese government ripped off billions in intellectual
property from our companies. There's your answer. 

Earlier this year, the Chairman of Harvard's Chemistry Department was
arrested for taking $50,000.00 a month from the Communist Party of China in
return for sending secrets and referring top scientists to Beijing. It
barely rated as a scandal, you may not even be aware it happened. Why?
Because so many are on the take in effect. 

Donald Trump was an impediment to this very lucrative arrangement. And for
that reason, Di Dongsheng explains in the video, America's most powerful
elites -- and he calls them that -- got to work on electing a new
President. Again, read the words at the bottom of your screen as he speaks. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) 

DONGSHENG (TEXT):  But now, we're seeing Biden was elected, the traditional
elite, the political elite, the establishment. They're very close to Wall
Street, so you see that, right? 

Trump has been saying that Biden's son has some sort of global foundation.
Have you noticed that? Who helped him (Biden's son) build the foundation?
Got it? 

There are a lot of deals in all these. Then, so, at such a time, we use an
appropriate way to express some goodwill ... 

(END VIDEO CLIP) 

CARLSON:  Donald Trump, he notes because the Chinese do pay close attention
to what we say here, Donald Trump has complained about Hunter Biden and his
ties to the Chinese government. Those are real, he just confirms. 

So now you know why you weren't allowed to talk about Hunter Biden's
laptop. Why big business aligned as one, the tech companies and the rest to
suppress that story because they were implicated in it. 

Back in October, we interviewed a man called Tony Bobulinski. We
interviewed him because no one else would. Tony Bobulinski was a business
partner of the Biden's. Here's what he told us about China. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) 

TONY BOBULINSKI, FORMER BUSINESS AFFILIATE OF HUNTER BIDEN:  And in a
document that you guys have, and I think it's been provided to, you know,
to the world, the Chinese referenced that because of their trust in the
Biden family, that Chairman Yi and Director Zhang are excited about moving
forward in this. 

And in that document, they reference loaning $5 million to the BD family. 

CARLSON:  Right. 

BOBULINSKI:  The BD family is the Biden family. 

CARLSON:  What are the implications of this going forward? If Joe Biden is
elected President, which could very well happen? How does this constrain
his ability to deal with China? 

BOBULINSKI:  Are you asking for my personal opinion? 

CARLSON:  I am. I am asking for your opinion as someone who has worked with
the Chinese. 

BOBULINSKI:  So I think Joe Biden and the Biden family are compromised. 

(END VIDEO CLIP) 

CARLSON:  I think Joe Biden and the Biden family are compromised with
China. Looks like he was right about that. And it looks like the Biden's
are far from the only ones who've been compromised. 

Gordon Chang has been covering this story for an awfully long time. He's a
Senior Fellow at the Gatestone Institute. He's the author of "The Great
U.S.-China Tech War." Earlier today, he vetted that video you just saw for
us and confirmed it was real. We're happy about that. 

Gordon Chang joins us tonight. Gordon, thanks so much for coming on. 

GORDON CHANG, SENIOR FELLOW, GATESTONE INSTITUTE:  Thank you. 

CARLSON:  To those of us who don't follow this full time as you do and who
don't speak Mandarin, this is a shocking admission of what is happening
here. Tell us what you make of it. 

CHANG:  There is incredible arrogance among the Chinese elites. And that's
what I take away from this video. 

You know, there are a number of instances that Di talks about and I don't
know if they're actually true or not. But the point is that this is what
Chinese leaders think and because they think that way, they're going to
push a President Biden around. They're going to do things which are
dangerous, because we're going to have to push back. 

Under President Trump, the Chinese didn't try this because they were afraid
of him. So what I'm concerned about is the state of mind of China, we see
this from Xi Jinping, the Chinese ruler, all the way down to this Di
Dongsheng. This is dangerous. 

CARLSON:  So he is out there less than a month after our presidential
election saying essentially, we admit it, we are in control, our friends in
the business community in the United States, Wall Street, specifically are
on our side, over and against the U.S. government itself, the current
presidential administration, and we pull the strings. Do you think that's
bragging? To what extent is that true? 

CHANG:  Well, that part of the video is true. What I was referring to was
the politics and prose incident, which is very interesting. But in terms of
the most important points that Di makes, that's absolutely true that China
does have that relationship into what he calls the core circle of America's
real power. 

And they used that during the Obama administration and prior
administrations, and they couldn't do it during the Trump administration,
that much we know. 

And I know that they are in anticipation, licking their chops about what's
going to happen from January 20th on. 

CARLSON:  It's just -- it's an amazing, amazing story. Were you surprised
that he said this on camera in front of a live audience? 

CHANG:  That actually took me by surprise because what he was making were
those admissions, which really go to the core of the China-U.S.
relationship. 

And I think that what President Trump can do, whether he has 40 days or
four years, is to break some of those connections. He can do it with the
International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. He can even maybe use
the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917. But we've got to break those
connections. 

Because if we don't do that, we are going into a point where we may not be
able to deter China because they are so arrogant, so belligerent that they
think they can buy any American politician including the President of the
United States, and therefore as I mentioned, they are going to be tempted
to do something that cannot be unwound. 

CARLSON:  It cannot be unwound, nicely put. Gordon Chang, I appreciate your
coming on tonight. Thank you. 

CHANG:  Thank you, Tucker. 

CARLSON:  So last week in "The Wall Street Journal," there was a kind of
remarkable op-ed stating as clearly as anyone has ever stated the nature of
the threat that we face from China. The op-ed was written by someone who
would know, the Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe. 

He called the Communist Party of China, quote, "The greatest threat to
democracy and freedom worldwide since World War II." It's an amazing piece
worth your time if you haven't read it. In just a moment, we will have
Director Ratcliffe on to discuss that. 

He wrote this, quote, "The intelligence is clear: Beijing intends to
dominate the United States and the rest of the planet economically,
militarily and technologically. I call its approach of economic espionage,
'rob, replicate and replace. China robs U.S. companies of their
intellectual property, replicates the technology and then replaces the U.S.
firms in the global marketplace." 

Now, those aren't simply legal disputes, they have actual consequences for
millions of American workers on our standard of living and what your kids
will do for a living. Ratcliffe noted that in 2018, a Chinese wind turbine
manufacturer ripped off trade secrets from a Massachusetts based
infrastructure company called American Semiconductor. 

As a direct result of that theft, American Semiconductor lost over a
billion dollars in value and had to cut 700 jobs. Now, it didn't happen
because the company American Semiconductor was careless. It happened
because they were the victim of theft. 

That's happening everywhere, including in The Pentagon. According to
Ratcliffe, quote, "China also steals sensitive U.S. defense technology to
fuel President Xi Jinping's aggressive plan to make China the world's
foremost military power. U.S. intelligence shows that China has even
conducted human testing on members of the People's Liberation Army in the
hope of developing soldiers with biologically enhanced capabilities. There
are no ethical boundaries to Beijing's pursuit of power." 

Remarkable. We know where this is leading and Ratcliffe's op-ed spells out,
quote, "Beijing is preparing for an open-ended period of confrontation with
the United States. Washington should also be prepared. Leaders must work
across partisan divides to understand the threat, speak about it openly and
take action to address it." 

John Ratcliffe is the Director of National Intelligence, the man with more
intelligence before him than anyone on the globe apart from the President,
we're happy to have him on tonight. 

Director, thanks so much for coming on. 

JOHN RATCLIFFE, DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE:  Tucker, good to see
you. 

CARLSON:  So, you spelled this out so clearly that it made me wonder why
the rest of us, so many in our public life, haven't been saying this for
quite some time. You make it sound obvious. 

RATCLIFFE:  Well, I think you did a good job of encapsulating why Tucker.
There are a lot of people who for economic reasons, don't want China to be
our greatest threat. There are a lot of people who for political reasons,
don't want China to be our greatest threat in America. 

But the intelligence doesn't lie. China is our greatest threat. And it's
not even close. No other country has the capability of essentially taking
away the American dream and a specific plan to do so and the intelligence
is clear. 

So, Tucker, I wanted to use the unique vantage point that I have to make
sure, you know, as the Director of National Intelligence, my job is to warn
the American people of threats, and there is no greater threat than China
to America. 

CARLSON:  The most jarring part of the piece, I thought was your
description of the massive ramp up of the Chinese military, and from your
telling, not necessarily for defensive purposes. What do you think their
aim is? 

RATCLIFFE:  Well, again, dominate militarily, technologically, and
economically. On the military front, they've already achieved having the
largest Navy of any country in the world. From a military force standpoint,
the People's Republic of China has a military of two million. 

They want them to be the largest, and they also want them to be the
strongest, which is why they're engaged in what you referenced, which is
called gene editing, literally trying to alter the DNA experimenting on DNA
to make soldiers, sailors and airmen stronger and more powerful. 

CARLSON:  That's horrifying. Do you think Beijing anticipates some kind of
physical confrontation with the United States in the next several years? 

RATCLIFFE:  Well, here's the funny thing, Tucker, China knows at this point
that the United States is still the world's superpower. They know they're
catching us in all of those respects. 

They're banking on the fact that we're not going to do anything until they
are superior in all those respects. You know, great generals always say, it
is better to fight downhill. 

Right now, the United States can fight downhill against China. We don't
ever want to be in a position where we're looking up at China and all of
the plans that they have, all of the initiatives: Made in China, the
digital Silk Road, Belt and Road Initiative -- those are all thin veneers
and facades for which China is going around the world and essentially
gaining the influence power to become the world's superpower and supplant
the United States in that role. 

CARLSON:  We heard a lot over the past four years about Russia's ability to
break into John Podesta's Gmail account. To the extent you can, to the
extent it's not classified, give us a sense of Chinese penetration into our
networks, government networks. 

RATCLIFFE:  Well, it's significant and growing every day. And Tucker, you
made a great point in your opening about Russia. Listen, they are a
dangerous adversary. I don't mean to minimize them. But you made the point
correctly about economically, Russia can't compete the way China can. 

The largest economy in the world is the United States. The second largest
is China. Russia is not in the top 10. Italy, Brazil and the State of Texas
have a larger economy than Russia. So as dangerous as Russia can be, they
cannot compete with us the way China is, and China has a very specific plan
to do that, and one of the ways that China has made their way to the top is
they understand that information is the key to their dominance, so they're
going to get there any way they possibly can. 

That's what subsidizing Huawei and ZTE is all about. Those are Chinese
companies that are run by the Chinese government. They know that they can
steal more information if they run the telecommunications networks over
which our information travels. That's one of the ways that China has gotten
so good in terms of getting into our networks and into our information
society. 

CARLSON:  We've been asleep. Thank you for helping to wake people up. John
Ratcliffe, Director of National Intelligence. 

RATCLIFFE:  You bet. Great to be with you, Tucker. Thanks. 

CARLSON:  Next time you hear someone describe Russia or Turkey or Iran as
the greatest threat we face, laugh in their face because they deserve it. 

So there's this thing that happens in Washington where people go to serve
in the Congress and they make 200 grand a year or something, but they seem
to get rich at the same time. How do they do that? How did Ilhan Omar make
all that money? Maxine Waters? She seems rich. How did that happen? We will
investigate how that happened. 

Also new information about who is going to be first in line to get the
coronavirus vaccine and who might be last. Candace Owens responds to those
stories straight ahead. 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) 

CARLSON:  All of a sudden you're hearing Democrats, from the party of
science -- we are including, by the way, the governor of our biggest state
in this category -- demand that we distribute the coronavirus vaccine on
the basis of skin color. That's not science, of course, it's something
beneath science, but they're saying it. 

One professor of something called Global Health Law at Georgetown explained
it this way, quote, "Having a racial preference for a COVID-19 vaccine is
not only ethically permissible, but I think it's an ethical imperative." 

Okay, there's just one problem with this plan. Many Americans of all skin
colors don't actually want the vaccine, regardless of what Democrats in
California or Washington, D.C. tell them they should want. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) 

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST:  The COVID vaccines really can't come soon
enough, but they are coming and there's a hurdle convincing Americans that
they will be safe to take. 

Many are expressing hesitancy, particularly in some black and Latino
communities. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  To stress in communities of color is not just a small
town problem, it is nationwide. A study conducted in September exploring
the issue in black and Latino communities found just 14 percent of black
people and only 34 percent of Latinos trust a vaccine will be safe. 

(END VIDEO CLIP) 

CARLSON:  The media makes everything about race always, but it's not just
those, quote "communities" that have concerns about the vaccine. Why are we
having a conversation about race as it relates to a vaccine? What do the
two have to do with each other? 

Candace Owens is the author of "Blackout: How Black America can make its
Second Escape from the Democratic Plantation." She joins us with reaction
to the story. 

Candace, great to see you tonight. I mean, if there were some scientific
evidence that this was a race specific disease, like -- I mean, and there
are diseases that are, it would be one thing, but Africa has been basically
untouched. So we know that it's not, what the hell is this? 

CANDACE OWENS, AUTHOR, "BLACKOUT":  That's a very good question. I really
want to talk about the apprehension, especially among black Americans
regarding this vaccine because it's not at all imagined when it comes to
just historical data that we have and Americans watching this right now can
look it up on the C.D.C. website the Tuskegee experiment. 

I talked about this actually with my grandfather over Thanksgiving, the
last time the government said, we're going to focus a vaccine on black
Americans. It was for syphilis. They selected about 600 black American men,
and it turned out that they were actually giving them a placebo pill rather
than actually treating them for syphilis because they wanted to see
syphilis to its natural end. 

This experiment went on for 40 years. It's not a secret anymore. Bill
Clinton apologized for it in 1997 and said that this was the immorality of
the government. 

Now, I'm not at all suggesting that this is what the vaccine for
coronavirus is. I'm not at all suggesting that they are seeking to
experiment on black Americans, but I am saying that if you're looking to
transform the pain of individuals, and to relieve them of these
apprehensions, maybe take an opposite approach, rather than single out
people because of their race and say we're going to give it to you first,
maybe just look at this from an equal standpoint and say, if we're actually
trying to help, we should never be racializing medicine that makes
everybody uncomfortable. 

The government is trying to put a racial identity behind this and it's
making too many people uncomfortable. If their ultimate goal is to help, we
shouldn't be looking at it in that manner. 

CARLSON:  De-racializing medicine. Exactly. Nicely put. Now, I want to ask
you about this, it is a story out of Washington. Some Democrats in Congress
have, it turns out, found a way on not very big salaries to make their
families pretty rich. 

No one has done this better than Ilhan Omar. She paid her husband's
consulting company more than two million bucks just this year. That's on
top of the $630,000.00 the firm received in Federal bailout money. 

In the State of California, Maxine Waters managed to funnel 240 grand from
her campaign to her daughter for quote, "Get Out to Vote services." Maxine
Waters already lives in a 6,000 square foot mansion in LA that's worth more
than four million bucks. 

Kind of weird for someone who spent 40 years in government. I've got to ask
you, and by the way, they are far from the only ones in Washington who are
doing this, that's for sure. But how do people who work in the Congress,
look the rest of us straight in the face and say, yes, I got rich, but it's
fine. How does that work? 

OWENS:  And it's especially frustrating when you're looking at Democrats
because they love playing the poor card, right? They are going to help
impoverished communities. We have to go and find the rich white men and say
they are stealing money from us, and then nobody questions them and their
finances. 

And it's especially egregious coming from somebody who is so openly
socialist like Ilhan Omar and her squad who stood on a platform, especially
during the COVID-19 when the government was giving out money to companies.
They stood out and they said, look, all of these rich companies are taking
the money they should return the funds. 

Well, was Ilhan Omar going to -- is her husband going to return the funds
that he received from the COVID-19 Relief Fund? I mean, this is ridiculous
stuff. And nobody ever calls them out. 

I mean, this should guarantee that she is never elected ever again. But
what it really shows you, Tucker, if Democrats are looking to figure out
why they lost so many House seats in this election is because America is
awake to their lives. They're no longer buying it. 

They understand that the Democrats themselves are corrupt and are greedy
despite the fact that they're calling everybody else by those names. 

CARLSON:  Well, I don't know, Maxine Waters said -- and I think we have the
clip here -- just told us that she has no tolerance of any kind for
financial misdeeds. Watch this. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) 

QUESTION:  Do you believe that money laundering has been a significant part
of President Trump's business? 

REP. MAXINE WATERS (D-CA):  I know that there are a lot of rumors. We need
to learn more about the finances of the President of the United States, and
he is hiding that information from us. We need to delve deeper into that
and find out what is going on and whether or not money laundering has been
involved and whether or not their connection with the oligarchs of Russia. 

(END VIDEO CLIP) 

CARLSON:  And that buffoon on CNBC, very seriously -- how seriously, do you
take this? 

OWENS:  I mean, this is, accuse the other side of what you are doing,
right? Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals and they do this over and over and
over again. It is ridiculous. 

Just imagine, in the case of Ilhan Omar as you just brought up earlier, if
Donald J. Trump incorporated for President was paying millions of dollars
in consultancy fees to Donald Trump, Jr. They would lose their minds and
yet nobody is calling for them to answer for her paying money to her
daughter, Maxine Waters and Ilhan Omar funneling cash to her husband. 

This is ridiculous and it's corrupt and someone should be made to answer
for it. 

CARLSON:  Yes, it's gone on for a long time, too. Candace Owens, great to
see you tonight. Thank you. 

OWENS:  Thanks. 

CARLSON:  So it turns out corona law really is the law. Governments in a
lot of places is threatening to fine you if you don't comply with corona
law. 

You're not a politician. You have to follow the rules. 

But one man in government has decided "no mas." We will speak to him next. 

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) 

CARLSON:  Well coronavirus lockdowns have been enforced across the country,
but they have not been enforced fairly or evenly, and the effects of
course, have not been fairly distributed. Some people have gotten much
richer and happier. Under corona law, many others have been destroyed. 

This week, one comptroller in New York State finally had enough. He
threatened to quote, "freeze and close the Health Department's banking
accounts immediately." Why? Watch him explain. 

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) 

STEFAN MYCHAJLIW, ERIE COUNTY COMPTROLLER:  I've also established a
reasonable payment plan for businesses as well. They're hurting and I'm
trying to help them get through this crisis. 

So on the low end of the scale, if they're hit with a $1,000.00 fine or
less, they have 20 years to pay it back. Anyone with a $15,000.00 COVID
related fine or more, they have 100 years to pay it back. 

(END VIDEO CLIP) 

CARLSON:  So we've got millions of people out of the workforce, millions
more who are semi-employed and barely hanging on and the county of Erie is
threatening and in some cases actually fining people. 

Stephen Mychajliw decided enough. He is the comptroller of Erie County. You
just saw him. He joins us tonight. Stephen, thanks so much for coming on. 

MYCHAJLIW:  Thank you, greatly appreciate it. 

CARLSON:  So, yes, am I mischaracterizing this? People are already hurting.
You saw these fines and you decided to step in and alleviate, basically the
fines. What happened after you did that? 

MYCHAJLIW:  That's correct. I mean, as county comptroller, I control all of
the accounts for the county of Erie, and people are fed up. I mean, I'm the
son of Polish and Ukrainian immigrants that came to America the right way.
They fled a communist regime. And a lot of people on the radical left are
turning our country into the same communist regime that my family fled. 

And I'm hearing from businesses every day. And what happened, Tucker, was
that there's a gym owner, Robert Dinero, he owns Athletes Unleashed in
Orchard Park, New York. He wasn't even open. His gym was closed and he had
a private meeting with other business owners talking about how they can
fight this back. 

And then, comes a health inspector barging in with police, and the next
day, they fined him $15,000.00. And so, I'm fed up. I'm angry. And I said
enough. 

And so we froze the Health Department's ability to make deposits on COVID
fines. And yes, as comptroller, I have the authority to come up with a 100-
year payment plan for those businesses that were fined because they are
hurting over coronavirus rules. The people on the extreme left are making
up for other people for small businesses who are hurting and they don't
follow the rules themselves. 

And so I'm angry, I'm fed up and I put my foot down. 

CARLSON:  What I love so much about the story is, every day we hear elected
officials say I'm helping people and usually they are just lecturing
people. 

You're actually helping people in measurable ways. What was the reaction
from other parts of government in the State of New York when you did that? 

MYCHAJLIW:  The radical left attacked me, which is right out of their
playbook: if you don't stand on the issues, you attack the person and
that's fine. I wear it like a badge of honor. 

Our local newspaper even wrote an editorial that basically accused me of
killing people for helping businesses when it comes to their fines. 

I mean, in New York State, it really makes no sense that everything has to
close at 10 o'clock. And coronavirus is so smart that it won't attack you
in a restaurant at 9:59. But look out at 10:01, you'll be stricken with it. 

I mean, children are least susceptible to it, and yet they're closing
schools. And then Governor Cuomo is putting six seniors stricken with COVID
into nursing homes. And so the radical left is not happy. 

But I wear it like a badge of honor and I fight for these businesses.
They're losing their livelihood, and we're also losing our freedoms in our
country. 

CARLSON:  Amen. And you, almost alone among elected officials, I'm
including a lot of people who should know better and have done nothing to
help. You did something to help. I think it is heroic. 

Stephen Mychajliw, appreciate it. Thank you. 

MYCHAJLIW:  I mean, we even had to set up a GoFundMe for this gym owner,
and if people go to Freedom Before Fear.dom they can donate to help him with
his $15,000.00 fine. I mean, it's outrageous that you can go to a Big Box
store and you won't catch coronavirus. But you can't go to a church or you
can't go to your barber shop or you can't go to a restaurant. 

So having that hammer in my office, I'm willing to flex it. I mean, what's
the point of having the authority if you're not going to use it to help
businesses and again, folks like Governor Cuomo put in all these
restrictions, even our local county executive, he is ordering people to
wear masks, but he was caught at a local golf course without a mask and
drinking beer and eating food. 

CARLSON:  Of course, they're all hypocrites. God bless you. I appreciate
it. Stephen, thanks. 

MYCHAJLIW:  Thank you. 

CARLSON:  Well, just in case you still imagine this was a free country, not
under the total control of Mark Zuckerberg and the Google guys. Go ahead
and try and share conservative memes on your personal Facebook page and see
what happens. 

We're about to speak to a school principal who was fired for that. Wait
until you see what she was fired over. She will tell us after the break. 

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CARLSON:  Until this summer, Amy Sacks was the principal of an elementary
school in Pennsylvania, then she was fired. She says the School District
Superintendent told her the conservative meme, she uploaded to her private
Facebook page had quote, "Offended a parent who complained to the
district." 

Now in case you're wondering what these memes were, you're seeing one on
the screen right now. 

Sacks is doing what very few people who've been fired in the last year have
done, she is suing, in this case, the Montgomery County Public Schools. 

Tonight, Amy Sacks joins us along with her attorney, Francis Malofiy. We're
happy to have them both. Thanks very much for joining us. 

So Amy, to you first, we put one of those memes on the screen. Now in these
stories, always kind of the details are what matters. Tell us what these
memes said. Were they extremist material, would you say? 

AMY SACKS, FIRED PRINCIPAL OVER MEMES:  Oh, absolutely not. They were
literally, you know, right of center political posts that really showcased
the absurdity that was going on at the time in the news. 

CARLSON:  Yes. So basically, you said you were against Joe Biden. You were
not -- you did not prefer to vote for Joe Biden. I mean, that seems to be
the gist of the memes we're putting on the screen here. And that was too
far for the superintendent? 

SACKS:  Apparently, yes. You know, the one meme specifically had Biden's
name in it, and that was definitely apparently offensive to somebody. 

CARLSON:  Francis, as a lawyer, tell us, are you allowed to fire someone
because they're voting for a candidate you don't like? 

FRANCIS MALOFIY, ATTORNEY:  You know, you're absolutely not allowed to fire
someone and take a political viewpoint in a public school. 

In schools in the United States, we have a great right, which is the First
Amendment and that allows us to share opinions, share thought, share speech
without persecution or prosecution from our government. 

When you're in a public school in a public school setting, administrators
or directors or superintendents, school boards aren't there to dictate
political policy. 

And in fact, what's unique in this case is that Principal Sacks is fighting
for her job. She is fighting for her family's livelihood and welfare. But
this is not a war that's happening only in certain counties. It's happening
-- it is a war that's happening across this country in public schools. 

And it is also what is happening in the minds of the children that are
taught in these public schools. As an attorney, I'm proud to champion this
cause and do everything I can to reinstate Principal Sacks to her position,
but the issue is that we have a First Amendment, it allows us to express
our thoughts, feelings or emotions without retribution from government. 

When she did something not in the public school system, but privately, her
private political Facebook posts were used to basically terminate her from
her position as Principal. 

CARLSON:  Yes. 

MALOFIY:  And the shocking thing is, this is not an underperformer
principal. Principal Sacks heads one of the top elementary schools in
Pennsylvania. It was a top performing, top 10 elementary school. No issues
of discipline, 20-year veteran, seven-year principal and to think that
Superintendent Barbara Russell, with the help of attorneys would sit her
down and show her 15 cherry picked posts that basically were center or
right of center conservative posts, and then fire her without cause or
without just notice. It's shocking. 

And it's shocking because that's happening to us in the sense -- 

CARLSON:  Well, that's the definition of extremism. I mean that - you just
defined what extremism looks like. 

Amy Sacks, I'm grateful to you that you didn't go along with this, as so
many people have, that you're fighting back and we're certainly rooting for
you. Thank you for coming on tonight. Francis, thank you for representing.
Appreciate it. 

MALOFIY:  Thank you. 

SACKS:  Thank you. 

CARLSON:  So you've heard a lot about voter fraud in last month's election.
Tonight, specific examples. The top Republican in the State of Georgia
filed a suit saying he has identified enough examples of a different kind
of fraud, so-called low tech irregularities and of traditional voter fraud
that it might change the outcome of the race. He joins us to explain what
he has found, next. 

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CARLSON:  Well, you've heard a lot of allegations of high tech fraud in
last month's election: people messing with the software, putting
unauthorized thumb drives, et cetera, but maybe not enough about low tech
fraud, traditional fraud. There's evidence there was quite a bit of that. 

In Georgia, the State Secretary of State released an affidavit from his
chief investigator who looked into election fraud. It rejects the claim
that ballots were retrieved from suitcases on Election Night. 

But the affidavit does contradict reports on Election Night, the ones that
you probably read that a burst pipe delayed vote counting. Quote, "Our
investigation revealed that the incident initially reported as a water leak
late in the evening on November 3rd was actually a urinal that had
overflowed early in the morning of November 3rd and did not affect the
counting of votes by Fulton County later in the evening." 

Okay. But that's the opposite of what we heard, and that's the opposite of
what officials said. Local news reports claim that 40,000 absentee ballots
could not be counted on Election Night due to quote, "Water main break." 

Interesting. Why the discrepancy? We should find out. 

The Chairman of the State of Georgia's Republican Party has filed a lawsuit
saying that there were thousands of examples of low tech fraud on Election
Night. 

David Shafer is the Chairman of the Georgia Republican Party. We're happy
to have him on. Mr. Shafer, thanks so much for joining us. Can you give us
an example of the kind of low tech fraud you believe took place? 

DAVID SHAFER, CHAIRMAN, GEORGIA REPUBLICAN PARTY:  Well, President Trump is
behind Vice President Biden by 11,770 votes after the last recount, and in
order to -- and filed a suit contesting the election and we've got to show
that the number of irregular votes exceeds the margin, and we've done that,
we've shown that people voted without being on the voter registration roll. 

People voted with having registered after the deadline. People voted more
than once. People moved from the state, registered in another state and
then voted by absentee in our state. 

And those errors and irregularities on such a scale that it exceeds the
margin and cast the outcome of the election in doubt. 

CARLSON:  So those are kind of traditional ways to throw an election.
Right? I mean, there's nothing complicated about what you just described. 

SHAFER:  Nothing at all. I mean, we've got three major complaints,
thousands of ballots, of unlawful ballots were counted, and then re-counted
and then re-counted again. 

The counting took place in violation of Georgia law, which requires that it
be done in public, in the open and we have serious problems with the
verification of absentee ballot signatures, which we don't believe
occurred. 

CARLSON:  Yes, well, in a lot of places we know it didn't. The State of
Nevada, for example, and I believe the majority of ballots cast in this
election, about 60 percent were cast absentee, so that of course matters. 

David Shafer struck us as a responsible, sober, fact based person making
real claims of fraud. I appreciate your coming on tonight. I hope our
viewers will look up what you filed and assess it for themselves. Thank
you. 

SHAFER:  Thank you 

CARLSON:  We are out of time. I wish we had more time. 

We'll be back tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. The show is the sworn enemy of
lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. 

Have a great evening with the ones you love. We have a surprise in store
for you tonight. Sean Hannity will take over at 9:00 p.m. Eastern. 


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