This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," March 1, 2019. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
JASON CHAFFETZ, HOST: Welcome to this special edition of “Hannity: Socialism Rising.” I'm Jason Chaffetz, in tonight for Sean who is making his way back from Vietnam.
For the hour, we're going to do something no other network will do. We'll actually examine the Democratic Party's mission to radically transform America into a socialist nation.
As we speak, 2020 Democrats and their colleagues in Washington are promising you the world. Free healthcare for all, free higher education for all, free housing for all, universal income for all, no more fossil fuels, no more nuclear energy, no more gas powered cars, no more airplanes and heaven forbid, no more cows.
In the end, all Democrats really want is higher taxes, more power for themselves. If they are successful, we're going to pay a very heavy price in this nation -- not only with our wallets but also with the inalienable rights that have made this country the greatest place on earth.
This week at CPAC, conservative leaders are fighting back against the Democratic Party's ongoing love affair with socialism. Watch this.
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MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT: Under the guise of Medicare for all, and a Green New Deal, Democrats are embracing the same tired economic theories that have impoverished nations and stifled the liberties of millions. You know, Margaret Thatcher probably said it best, the trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
DR. SEBASTIAN GORKA, SALEM RADIO'S "AMERICA FIRST" HOST: They want to take your pickup truck, they want to rebuild your home, they want to take away your hamburgers. This is what Stalin dreamed about but never achieved.
LARRY KUDLOW, TOP WHITE HOUSE ECONOMIC ADVISOR: Join us to put socialism on trial and then convict it.
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CHAFFETZ: Joining us with reaction, Fox News contributor Charlie Hurt, former Obama economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, and the person you just saw on the video, host of "America First" on Salem America, Sebastian Gorka.
Thank you all three for joining us on this beautiful Friday night.
Austan, Democrats are not hiding -- they are not hiding at all. They are putting socialism right there front and center and they are going for it. It's only March 1 and they are laying out everything from a Green Deal to Medicare for all, to -- I mean, but it's going to cost, and you're a financial guy, hundreds of trillions of dollars. How in the world do they think this is going to sell to the American people?
AUSTAN GOOLSBEE, FORMER OBAMA ECONOMIC ADVISER: Well, you have chosen the most extreme cases to try to make your point and I think you got two dangers in that. First, if you go to that CPAC meeting where you took those speeches and you find the most extreme people at that meeting, they are whack-a-doodle nuts, and if they were going to try to cast the Republican Party as somebody that was on most extreme thought, it would not be accurate.
But the second is, as we go into 2020, as you talk up that this is going to be a socialist takeover, it's going to be like calling the poodle killer. People are going to see things like a Medicare choice for all, which is supported by 73 percent of America and more than 50 percent of --
CHAFFETZ: Austan, Austan --
GOOLSBEE: -- and they're going to say, maybe this isn't so bad. Maybe it's not socialism at all.
CHAFFETZ: No, no, Austin, there are more than a hundred people that have co-sponsored a bill that says there will not be any private insurance out there.
Sebastian, you were there, you were one of the speakers there, whack-a- doodle nuts I think was Austan was referring to, yes? What was the feeling --
GOOLSBEE: No, I didn't say Sebastian. I said extremists.
GORKA: When the left have no arguments, they go ad hominem. Austan is just big, another perfect example of when the left runs out of any ideas. We're the whack-a-doodles, seriously, when Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez talks about flatulent cows and you've got to stop eating your cheeseburgers? We're the extremist?
They want to ban every single private vehicle that runs on gas and disallow you from using airplanes, and we're the extremists? This is the left in a nutshell. The radicals have taken over the Democratic Party.
This is a party that isn't just, say, don't eat meat anymore. This is a party that says it's OK to kill babies after they are born. The butcher, the governor of New York, the radicals have taken over the asylum -- and I guess Austan is one of them.
CHAFFETZ: I want to be careful, calling each other names here but, Charlie, we're talking about --
GOOLSBEE: I didn't call Sebastian any names.
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CHAFFETZ: Well, he was one of the prime speakers there.
Look, Charlie, these are bills that have been introduced into Congress. They have been embraced by the major 2020 candidates on the left, have they not?
CHARLES HURT, CONTRIBUTOR: Yes, and there is no doubt about it. The standard that was set by Bernie Sanders two years ago in the campaign that Hillary Clinton wound up stealing from him, you know, he set the standard. Every other candidate running this s year, this time around, just about, has picked up the mantle of that Democratic socialism. And the thing that people have to remember is, you know, socialism it's not a platform of ideas and services and pre-stuff that they will give away.
Socialism is a form of tyranny. It's a form of government so you control people's leaves all the way down to what they put in their mouths. And that is a very real thing. That's not something that's made up and you can go back over the past hundred years and you can see a hundred million people have perished, have been killed under that kind of tyranny.
And the funny thing is, when people -- when Republicans try to address this stuff seriously, and they talk about the cost of something like the New Green Deal or the green dream or whatever it is, there's no money. We underestimate the power of socialism. Socialism doesn't need money. They have prisons. They can make people work.
And that's what socialism is, and you can try to dress it up any way you want, but that's undeniably what socialism is and we have to combat it at its root.
CHAFFETZ: And, Austan, again, you're a numbers guy. We're talking about two of the biggest deals between the New Green Deal and Medicare-for-All. Is that not hundreds of trillions of dollars?
GOOLSBEE: No, it's not -- A, that's not hundreds of trillions, B, I'm not a socialist. I'm an economics professor. Socialism doesn't work. What they are talking about with Medicare-for-All there are many different bills to choose, only the most extreme one was put forward by Bernie Sanders.
The Congressional Budget Office said --
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CHAFFETZ: But all the 20 campaigners have embraced it, all of them.
GOOLSBEE: The 2020 candidates, Bernie Sanders is in favor of his own bill, which would cost a lot. Not a hundred trillion but a lot. And I am not -- the Bernie Sanders fans are not a big fan of mine because I've said it would be very expensive but the Medicare-for-All that involves everyone being able to choose to buy into Medicare, the Congressional Budget Office says that saves money compared to the current system. It doesn't cost anything. It's literally less expensive than what we have now. So --
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CHAFFETZ: So, when you move 170 -- when you move 170 million people off of their private insurance, which is -- Sebastian, how do you see this moving forward? Democrats have painted themselves into a corner. They have painted themselves as socialist.
GORKA: So, the former director of the CBO, the independent, completely neutral CBO, crunched the numbers last week, I discussed it on my show, every single American will have to fund the Green New Deal to the cost of $300,000 per person, who is alive in America. Those are the figures.
And every single person who is an official candidate for the presidency, among the Democrats, has signed on to the deal. This is the insanity. You know, your guest, Charlie, is absolutely right.
Socialism is about controlling ever aspect of your life. If they control your healthcare they have got everything. If they want to control what you are eating, that is totalitarianism and she said it. Look, Ocasio said it. We've got to stop eating cheeseburgers.
It's insanity, Jason. Insanity.
CHAFFETZ: Charlie, how do you see younger people? I mean, younger people are more idealistic and don't have much life experience. But is this a winning message with, you know, somebody who's in their 20s. Hey, it sounds great. Everything for free?
HURT: I mean, I hate to say it but there is some allure. Everybody likes free stuff. Everybody likes the cheapest thing that they can get. The problem is that we've done a poor job of reminding them, ever since the Soviet Union fell, we've done a poor job of reminding people just how terrible a way of life that is, and we have a perfect example in Venezuela right now. Everybody should see it and watch it.
But we have to do a better job of illustrating just how terrifying and dangerous this is. And Austan, I'm so glad you're against socialism but I wish that your party would have a CPAC and you could take all the people running for president and go and talk to them and explain to them how terrible socialism is because it's really, really frightening and it's very disheartening to see, in this day and age, a party where an alarming number of its leaders or at least the people that are seeking to lead the party, have fully embraced the concept of it.
CHAFFETZ: And I want to give Austan and Sebastian, I've got just 10 seconds for each, where is this going? The Democratic candidates for president are going further and further to the left, are they not?
GOOLSBEE: They're not going with socialism and I just caution you guys to be careful, because you're Trumping it up like it's going to be the biggest socialist takeover ever and when people see what it actually is they are going to say that doesn't seem so bad and then you guys you're going to seem like you're out to lunch.
GORKA: Jason?
CHAFFETZ: Well, somebody is actually reading the text of the bill and I've got to tell you, that's the direction that it's going.
Sebastian?
GORKA: We'll all be out to lunch if they ban cheeseburgers, steak and everything you want to eat. Bernie Sanders, I played the audio on my show today, Bernie Sanders was asked, does the Green New Deal go far enough and Bernie said it doesn't go far enough. The lunatics have taken over the asylum, Jason.
CHAFFETZ: Gentlemen, I appreciate y'all being here tonight. I hope you enjoy the rest of your evening.
And we're going to go through this for the rest of the show. Without a doubt, one of the loudest voices pushing the Democratic Party further and further left is socialist Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. According to a report for "The Washington Post", she said -- she and other radical Democrat lawmakers said they are lashing out now at their more moderate colleagues. Ocasio-Cortes even vowed to put anyone who voices with Republicans on a list, a list to be primaried in the next election.
But somebody might want to remind the socialist congresswoman about this vote that you see on your screen. A few weeks ago, she was the only Democrat to vote with Republicans on roll-call vote 46. That's right. She was the only one and she joined the Republicans and under her definition, she should be on this list. I look forward to seeing who she recruits to primary herself.
Ocasio-Cortez is not the only person feuding inside the Democratic Party. Fellow socialist Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are at odds once again. After a former Clinton aide referred to Sanders as, quote, "his royal majesty, King Bernie Sanders," end quote, a former Sanders campaign aide called the Clinton camp on the record, by the way, with some of the biggest A-holes in American politics, end quote.
Joining us now is Fox News contributor Lawrence Jones and Republican strategist Brad Blakeman.
Thank you for being here.
Lawrence, I believe you're at CPAC. You've got some noise in the background. It's exciting what's going on there.
But, Brad, you know, the Tea Party had to deal with these issues, right? I feel like I was on the front end of the Tea Party. I was a must have more conservative member than a lot of others and then there was a battle internally but the Democrats are going through this now. How do you see it playing out?
BRADLEY BLAKEMAN, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: I think they have an identity crisis, they are in meltdown. I remember a time not too long ago where if you called a Democrat a socialist, publicly you were slandering them. Now, they get angry if you don't call them that and they are out trying to out- left each other, and the party is in complete identity crisis. The way I see it playing out is this is going to continue right up through the primaries.
The American people are going to see a stark contrast, probably different than any other campaign than we've ever experienced, the difference between what the Republicans stand for and the Democrats stand for and I don't think people are going to buy socialism.
CHAFFETZ: Now, Lawrence, what are the Democrats going to do, you know, when you have a more moderate Democrat who believes what the Republicans are saying, let's say they offered an amendment that says, look, if you're an illegal alien is trying to purchase a gun and you're going to do a background check, you find out they are illegal and you should tell ICE about it, I think it's radical not to tell ICE, but some Democrats actually joined Republicans in that vote.
How are they going to deal with that internally?
LAWRENCE JONES, CONTRIBUTOR: They are going to tear them apart. I mean, let's be honest here. We have a Democratic Party that's unhinged. They believe their socialism is the new way. Any type of reasonable legislation that a typical Democrat back in the day would typically support like border security, will get them crossed out from winning the primary.
That's why I think Joe Biden is one of the main candidates in the mainstream, I'm afraid that the old Joe Biden is going to go coco because the Democratic Party is going to pressure him to go so far to the left, and I think, you know, that may work for a primary but when you're talking about swing districts -- and I mean those districts that voted for then Barack Obama and then voted for President Donald Trump, that type of socialism nonsense is not going to work in those districts. And so, what the Democrats have to do is be more pragmatic and think about what issues are in the mainstream.
I'm sorry, when it comes to board security, that's in the mainstream. Many people across, in those flyover states, those swing districts, want border security. They may not agree with all elements of Trump's but the basic step of a border wall I think they agree with it.
CHAFFETZ: Now, Brad, that's true. I mean, I have never seen a party thrive nationally by being anti-law enforcement. I mean, you've got a lot of people out there that want to abolish ICE. They want open borders. They don't want to give more border wall, they want to tear down the existing wall.
How can the Democrats thrive with a socialist agenda that includes an open borders agenda?
BLAKEMAN: They cannot and that's going to be their downfall, is the fact they will swing so far left in the primaries they can't come back to the middle in a general. They couldn't even attempt it. But here's the bottom line. I think the American people are where the country is and that's just right of center.
We're not a left country. And as Charlie pointed out earlier, all you can look to is what's happening in Venezuela. It's a total dictatorial regime that's even preventing humanitarian aid from reaching the people and where are the Democrats? They claim to be for the working man. Where are they on calling Maduro out for what he is?
They can't do it. You know why? Because it blows a hole in their socialist agenda when they have to admit that a socialist state is in total chaos. So, I think if Republican states where the American people are on economy, on safety, on national security, we will win. Why? Because we're right.
CHAFFETZ: No, and as Lawrence pointed out, you've Joe Biden who had to go out and apologize for calling Mike Pence a decent person, which he is.
We have a Fox News alert we need to go to. Brad, thanks for joining us.
BLAKEMAN: Pleasure.
CHAFFETZ: Thanks.
This is Fox News alert. Last week, we first showed you this shocking video of a young Trump supporter getting brutally assaulted on the campus of UC Berkeley reportedly because of his political beliefs. Tonight, we can report that that individual responsible for that assault has finally been arrested.
Twenty-eight-year-old Zachary Greenberg was booked earlier this afternoon.
Back with us for more on this development is Lawrence Jones.
Lawrence, you're the editor and chief of "Campus Reform" who originally broke this story. What have you learned about the arrest that happened today?
JONES: Yes. So, we've been following this from the very beginning. At first we heard from sources that said that they were seeking a warrant after the suspect refused to turn himself in after telling police he was going to turn himself in. What we know now is that he used to be a university employee, worked in the lab and he was also a distant learning student as well.
This is a student that wasn't getting a degree there but got some type of education there at the university. What we don't know is why he was on the campus at the time. The police department has told us off the record that, you know -- on the record, I'm sorry -- that a lot of people in the area go on and off through the campus because it's a downtown area, but they don't know why he was there.
What we do know also is that they plan on having a hearing on Monday to discuss what the bond is. That's where he'll see the judge but we still don't know why his ultimate reason for attacking Hayden.
CHAFFETZ: Well, you know, you have a young person engaging in politics. We need more of that. They are out on campus. They are in the minority. They want to get out and talk to people about being engaged in politics, albeit conservatives in this particular case but nobody should be assaulted like that.
I'm glad to see him arrested, and thanks to your organization for illuminating the case in the first place. I'm sure that's why it got the attention that it deserved from law enforcement.
Thank you again for joining us. Appreciate it.
JONES: Thanks, Jason.
CHAFFETZ: Later on this “Hannity Special: Socialism Rising,” as Sean Hannity promised in last night's show, we'll play a clip of Sean asking President Trump a question at his press conference in Hanoi, Vietnam. We're going to want to see the president's response. Don't miss that.
Directly ahead, a very real socialist threat. We'll show what you disasters it's been in other countries. Do the Democrats care? No.
Stay with us.
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CHAFFETZ: Welcome back to this special edition of “Hannity: Socialism Rising.”
Radical Democrats on the left are pushing their socialist agenda on the American people, all while the failed socialist state of Venezuela continues to collapse. This week, Univision anchor Jorge Ramos who was detained in Venezuela told Sean what he saw when covering the chaos in Venezuela.
Have a look.
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JORGE RAMOS, UNIVISION ANCHOR: What I saw in Venezuela is a 20 year old revolution, which started with Chavez in 1999, has failed completely. You have more than 3 million Venezuelans living in the country. Inflation is one million percent.
If they kill one believer today, there'd be a million believers in a year from now. And people are dying. I went to a hospital, Hospital Vargas, and then one woman, she had lost a family member. You know why? Because they didn't have $30 to pay for antibiotics.
So the experiment in Venezuela has failed completely.
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CHAFFETZ: And while Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro is detaining journalists, Democratic Congresswoman Ilhan Omar says she does not recognize the opposition leader as the rightful interim president of Venezuela. Listen to this.
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REP. ILHAN OMAR, D-MINN.: We are threatening intervention. We're sending humanitarian aid that is in the guise of, you know, eventually invading this country and the people of the country do not want us there.
INTERVIEWER: You don't support -- you don't support your fellow Democrats, and like the U.S. government does, and the Canadian government does, you don't support the leader of the opposition as being the president right now, not as their leader.
OMAR: Absolutely not.
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CHAFFETZ: Wow!
But she isn't the own one on the left defending Maduro. On Monday, Bernie Sanders explained why he wouldn't call Maduro a dictator.
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WOLF BLITZER, CNN MODERATOR: Why have you stopped short of calling Maduro of Venezuela a dictator?
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, I-VT: Well, I think it's fair to say that the last election was undemocratic. But there was still democratic operations taking place in that country. The point is, what I'm calling for right now is internationally super advised free elections.
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CHAFFETZ: That's the same Bernie Sanders who back in 1985 praised Fidel Castro and get this, after visiting the socialist Nicaragua said people lining up for food, lining up for food was a good thing. You can't make this up.
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SANDERS: You know, it's funny. Sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is because people are lining up for food. That's a good thing. In other countries, people don't line up for food. The rich get the food and the poor starve to death.
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CHAFFETZ: Joining us now with reaction is "Relatable" podcast host, Allie Stuckey, FOX News contributor Sara Carter, and host of the "Buck Sexton Show", Buck Sexton.
Thank you all three for being here this evening.
Allie, I want to start with you. When you see what's going on in Venezuela and you hear what some of those Democrats are saying about what's happening, what do you see? What's really going on there?
ALLIE BETH STUCKEY, "RELATABLE" PODCAST HOST: Well, Ilhan Omar and Bernie Sanders are apparently perfectly fine with dictatorial totalitarian regimes as long as word socialism is by their name. There used to be a talking point from the left that would say, you know, it's not socialism what we're seeing in Venezuela. It's statism, which, of course, is not true.
But now we're seeing that they are not exactly saying that. It's really hard to deny that it's socialism that's happening in Venezuela. And so, they are saying it's really not a dictatorship. It's not really our role to step in. You actually heard Ilhan Omar, maybe say that we shouldn't even be sending foreign aid which is pretty crazy to hear from someone who claims that President Trump is a dictator.
And so, there's all kinds of irony and hypocrisy coming from the left.
CHAFFETZ: Buck, what do you see happening in Venezuela and how do you respond to what the Democrats are saying?
BUCK SEXTON, "BUCK SEXTON SHOW" HOST: Well, I think what you see are Democrats on the far left of the party, which increasingly leads the Democratic Party -- we all see that -- trying to come up with some way to, if not defend Maduro outright to at least put up some kind of smoke screen for what's going on there.
Look, I think that our reporting by Ramos and others showing what's going on there is absolutely essential. The country couldn't be in much worse shape than it currently is, and so what you have from the left is, well, this shouldn't be a military intervention. No one is talking about a military intervention. We're talking about humanitarian aid and diplomatic relations and having a new election.
So I think this is just nonsense from Sanders and Ilhan Omar and others, who quite honestly have a fondness built in for socialism. And that's what we're seeing.
CHAFFETZ: Sara, what do you see in Venezuela? I mean, Maduro -- Bernie Sanders position on that not calling him a dictator. How do you read what's happening?
SARA CARTER, CONTRIBUTOR: It's desperation on Sanders' part. I mean, here he is propagating socialism in the United States, I mean, I have to agree with Buck on this. He's propagating it. He's holding it up high. Ilhan Omar, we've seen it with AOC as well and they are trying to push young people to believe that this is a system that will work. This is a system that is proven throughout history to collapse on itself.
What we're seeing in Venezuela is such a tragedy, a humanitarian disaster. I mean, Jorge Ramos, I mean, he's covered this area, I've been watching Jorge Ramos my whole life. I speak Spanish fluently.
What he is saying -- he's right. It's 20 years of a failed system, totally collapsing on itself. Children starving to death, eating out of garbage cans. This is what Maduro couldn't handle.
So, when Ramos showed him this video and he had to see for himself what he's doing to his own people -- I mean, it set him off so much that he jailed them. Bernie Sanders, Ilhan Omar, AOC, all of the people that propagate on the left for socialism are just trying to cover up. This is desperation by not calling a spade a spade, and they want us to believe that there is something else going on here.
CHAFFETZ: Allie, why are the -- I mean the major Democratic candidates continue to go further and further Left, it's only March 1st of 2019. So why the embracing of socialism?
STUCKEY: Because, I think, they saw that worked with Bernie Sanders. I mean, the Bernie Sanders, for lack of a better term, is really the OG Democratic Socialist and he got more votes from Millennials than Trump or Clinton did combined.
And so you see a lot of people saying, OK, that worked for him. For whatever reason these postmodern Millennials who have been shoved communism and socialism down their throats from professors for the past however many years are latching on to democratic socialism, because they think it's pathetic and compassionate. They can feel like heroes while still sitting on their couches, and so that was popular with Bernie Sanders.
Other candidates are seen OK if we're going to get the Millennial vote, which is a huge voting bloc, well, we've got to latch on to this. And so, like you said, we see a lot of Democratic candidates on the Left trying to outflank each other in that.
CHAFFETZ: So let me let me bring buck in here I've only got about 20 seconds, Buck. You're surrounded by a large group of very conservative young people, what's their attitude and approach towards socialism?
SEXTON: I think they recognize that the fight that lies ahead is a serious one. The 2020 election is going to be a choice between the America that many of us have known for a long time and a socialist future. They can call it democratic socialism, but it socialism, nonetheless. That's what the 2020 election will be about and that's what the young people here at CPAC are ready for.
CHAFFETZ: All three of you, I want to thank you for being here tonight on this beautiful Friday night. Appreciate it. And thanks for staying with us on this HANNITY Special: Socialism Rising. Socialists want to take away your private health insurance and even your gas powered car. But is that even legal?
Pam Bondi and Emily Compagno will be here with answers. And later, President Trump surprised much of the "Hate Trump Media" by calling on Sean Hannity during his post-summit press conference. You're going to want to see what happened. Stay tuned
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CHAFFETZ: Welcome back to this special edition of “Hannity: Socialism Rising.” Now the Democrats are showing no signs of slowing down on their extreme far-Left agenda for America's future.
For example, just this week, the Democratic House unveiled their Medicare- for-All Bill. Now on top of the crippling costs which are so extreme, the authoritarian bill puts key healthcare decisions in the hands of federal bureaucrats, and largely eliminates private insurance. And major 2020 Democratic candidates are already on board. Take a look.
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WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Will these people be able to keep their health insurance plans, their private plans through their employers if there is a Medicare-for-All program that you endorse?
SANDERS: What will change in their plans is the color of their card. So, instead of having a Blue Cross/Blue Shield card, instead of having a United Health Insurance card, they're going to have a Medicare card.
JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: -- support the Medicare for all bill, I think, initially co-sponsored by Senator Bernie Sanders. You're also a co-sponsor on it.
SEN. KAMALA HARRIS, D-CALIF.: Yes.
TAPPER: I believe it will totally eliminate private insurance. So for people out there who like their insurance, they don't get to keep it?
HARRIS: Well, listen, the idea is that everyone gets access to medical care. And you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company --
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CHAFFETZ: And it's not just health care companies they want to take out of existence, they also want to ban any vehicle that relies on oil or gasoline for fuel, so that would include cars trucks and even airplanes.
So it would even be -- would that even be constitutional for the government to outlaw every gas powered vehicle? Joining us now with answers are Former Florida Attorney General, Pam Bondi, who I believe, is in Tampa Bay, Florida; along with Attorney and Fox News Contributor is right here by my side in New York City, Contributor Emily Compagno.
Thank you both for being here. I want to go to the Attorney General first. What would happen to this country? And what are the legal ramifications if all of a sudden the government came forward, they passed this bill miraculously through Congress and the President signed it with some radical socialists. And said, "all those millions of cars out there, you just can't drive those anymore there illegal".
PAM BONDI, FORMER FLORIDA ATTORNEY GENERAL: Well, Jason, before it would be found unconstitutional by her Supreme Court, it clearly defies the fundamental property rights set forth in our Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
We were founded -- think about what our forefathers must be thinking now. We were founded on a country of hard work, dedication and the principles of free market. And they're attempting to undo all of that, and it is not legal.
CHAFFETZ: Emily, again, you're sitting right here with me in New York. As you look at these bills that have been introduced, how does that infringe upon people's rights under the Constitution? How do you read that?
EMILY COMPAGNO, CONTRIBUTOR: The fact that it infringes upon our right to choose first of all and to participate in a thriving economy in that capitalist sense, and the irony here is that, the reason that the Democrats are giving for this is because they feel that our rights are being taken away when they argue that the private companies they're not giving basic health care in equal measures to those that need it, right?
But then it belies the reality which is that it infringes upon our rights. And I think that increasing state ownership is not the answer for an economic ill. And in cases of a natural monopoly like telecommunications or transportation, it makes more sense -- right, that's preventing a large corporation from using their market share to dominate.
But in something like this, when the majority of Americans like their health care plan, to remove that choice, and to nationalize it, just like the Attorney General said, it's unconstitutional and also is antithetical to our free-market tenants that this country was founded on.
CHAFFETZ: Now General Bondi, the federal government can't run the VA. I mean, talk to somebody who's a veteran in this country and it's pretty hard to find somebody who really likes the way the Veterans Administration works.
BONDI: Right.
CHAFFETZ: Now the government wants to take it all over according to these Democratic Socialists, what do you think would happen in this country if they tried to take away a 170 million people who get their health care insurance through their employer?
BONDI: Well, it's virtually impossible to do that and make it work. We know that hostile takeovers of our economy don't work. We've seen that in Venezuela, perfect example. But this is so much further than Obamacare, which of course I challenged in the courts, this is so much further.
It's saying that private insurance companies are illegal and cannot operate. It just -- our system would fail. No one would have coverage, no one would be able to obtain proper medical care, it would make Canada look great compared to what we would have here in our country, and it's just not legal.
CHAFFETZ: And I remember a conservative at the time George Will when he said, "Well youth health care is expensive now? Just wait till it's free". There is lot of sense in that. Emily, but the dismantling of -- it's funny to me I see these wild-eyed people that think, we got to make every car electric.
But then they don't understand where we get electricity, right? That comes from nuclear energy, it comes from coal. What would happen to this country if we move towards this New Green Deal that the Democrats want to put in place?
COMPAGNO: A lot of negative things would happen. And I think part of the issue is the fact that there's no specificity and there's really no answer into the process, right? We saw there in that interview earlier where Kamala Harris didn't even answer the question.
So you're saying that Americans can't stick with a private health care plan, right. It was kind of a wordy answer.
CHAFFETZ: Right.
COMPAGNO: Instead of just saying that's exactly what we're saying. And then that begs the question -- well so if we're outlining that, does that mean we're criminalizing it? Are we regulating it? What are the ramifications what are the penalties if someone did have a car? What are the penalties our corporation that relied on trucking to get our soybeans from Iowa to California.
So I think the fact that there's such a lack of thought in that entire process, not to mention how it would be paid for, to me as a constituent and as a citizen where does that deservingly lie, right? That's -- I'm the one that's then under served in that capacity during this entire discussion which is why it's so unfortunate.
CHAFFETZ: Well, and that's what's so scary about this, is that the major contenders for the 2020 election on the Democratic side of the aisle have embraced this wholeheartedly without, ever thinking through the economics, the personal ramifications and the legality of it as both of you have pointed out.
I thank you so much for joining here with us this evening and I know, Sean, will have you back talking more about this issue, because it is not going away.
Coming up, on this “Hannity Special: Socialism Rising” we'll have Trace Gallagher giving us the latest on the notorious Gang MS-13 which is now report targeting off-duty police officers. This is the dangerous world the open borders left just wants us to accept. Stay with us.
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CHAFFETZ: Welcome back to this special edition of “Hannity: Socialism Rising.” Socialists keep pushing for open borders despite the ongoing immigration crisis in this country. The latest example of the immigration problem, the notorious Central American gang MS-13 is revealed to be targeting off to the police officers at their homes.
Fox News National Correspondent, Trace Gallagher joins us from Los Angeles with the latest on this story, Trace?
TRACE GALLAGHER, NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: And Jason those who cover MS-13 know it's all about street cred, a way of rising in the ranks by targeting the gang's worst enemies or biggest threats.
In this case, the New York City police officers who live on Long Island. NYPD has issued an officer safety alert, an internal bulletin saying that MS-13 gang members are planning on carrying out attacks on off-duty police officers near their homes.
In fact, the alert reportedly states that gang members are conducting reconnaissance of police officers private homes, a frightening thought for them and their families. A former FBI agent told CBS2 New York "They are going above and beyond what any other gang does". And the scary part is that we already know that they legitimately carry out threats and are extremely violent.
The warning goes on to advise the officers to take extra precaution and change up their routines whenever possible. The gangs reign of terror is well documented by a series of brutal and bloody attacks in Queens, Nassau, and Suffolk Counties in New York. And authorities note the gang is notorious for murder drugs, child prostitution and racketeering. Jason.
CHAFFETZ: Trace, thank you some of the worst of the worst. I appreciate that report. Conservatives aren't taking these developments lightly. Speaking at CPAC today, Senator Ted Cruz told National Review Editor Rich Lowry that Republicans would have held the House of Representatives had they passed border wall funding when they were in the majority. Take a look.
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SEN. TED CRUZ, R-TX: If we had had that fight and you had seen Elizabeth Warren screaming on the Senate floor to stop it, Bernie Sanders pulling what little hair he has out of his head in September or October and it culminated with Republicans standing together, funding and building the wall. I'll tell you right now, Rich, I don't think we would have lost the House of Representatives.
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CHAFFETZ: Amen. I believe that. Joining me now with reaction former Obama Administration Head of U.S. Border Patrol, Mark Morgan and Fox News Contributor and Former Acting Ice Director Tom Homan.
Thank you both gentlemen for your service to this nation, putting your lives on the line to help protect Americans. And I know you represent a lot of people out there that do the same day in and day out.
Democrats, this week, Tom they voted against the idea that if an illegal alien goes to purchase a gun that there should be some notification of ICE. What does that do to the people who served in ICE now and who do the same job that you've done in the past?
TOM HOMAN, FORMER ACTING ICE DIRECTOR: Well, it shows total disrespect, disregard for the health and safety of ICE officers. I mean these men and women put their lives in line every day to defend their country. And they want ICE turn it like -- an illegal alien possession of firearm is a felony.
So they want to forgive an illegal alien that commits a felony, but they want attack the Second Amendment rights of Americans. It's just -- you know what, they're so far to the Left is everyday I'm not surprised by what I hear what the Democrats are doing. It's a total disrespect for men and women, many who lost their lives serving this country.
CHAFFETZ: Mark, when Barack Obama was President there were 80,000 times that there was somebody here illegal they got caught committing a crime, they were convicted of that crime and instead of deporting them they released him back out of the United States of America. What does that do to people that are serving in the Border Patrol when you have a convicted person released back out onto the streets?
MARK MORGAN, FORMER BORDER PATROL CHIEF UNDER OBAMA: Well, Jason, it's absolutely demoralizing, right. Just like Tom said, he's absolutely right. 128 Border Patrol agents have lost their lives defending the border only to watch something like that -- a scenario like that happen again and again.
And before I was with the Border Patrol, I served the FBI and I led an MS- 13 gang task force. MS-13 is the most violent prolific transnational gang this country's ever seen. They're from California all the way to New York and just about every major Metropolitan city in between.
And these individuals they're not coming in through Canada, right? They're coming in through the poor Southwest border. They're coming here, they get deported, and they're coming back again and again, again, and the Democrats they say it's OK.
CHAFFETZ: Mark, I want to stay with you for a second, Nancy Pelosi went to the border recently and said there isn't a problem. Is there a problem at the border?
MORGAN: Yes. Right, it's a joke. How do you even have a legitimate honest conversation when somebody -- regardless of the monumental facts that we can provide just says it's manufactured, it's made up. Talk to the thousands of Angel Families. Tell them that it's made up. Talk to the police officer Singh that was just killed by the illegal immigrant. Talk to their family see if this is manufactured or it's not a crisis.
It's pathetic and it's long and they're misleading and they're lying to the American people, Jason, absolutely.
CHAFFETZ: Tom, you've served career of decades serving in the -- serving our nation, trying to protect our borders, what's really going on down there?
HOMAN: We're being invaded. Look, you all you got to do is watch the media, what's going on the Southern border. Look, let's just take -- look at a few facts. The seizure of opioids by the Border Patrol and fentanyl is up by 184 percent. That has killed 72,000 people this past year in United States. That is a national emergency.
And look at the -- and rest of MS-13 members that we just discussed, it's up 170 percent, 18th Street gang members is up 140 percent. There is a crisis occurring on that border, and they say there is no national emergency, it's just ridiculous.
CHAFFETZ: Gentlemen thank you. Thank you for the service to this nation. Next on HANNITY Special: Socialism Rising President Trump called on Sean Hannity at his Vietnam press conference. We'll play the tape next stay with us.
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CHAFFETZ: Welcome back to Hannity. I'm Jason Chaffetz, filling in for Sean in this “Hannity Special: Socialism Rising.” After the President took a hard- line stance at the Trump-Kim summit on Thursday, he called on Sean Hannity at the post-summit press conference.
Sean reminded everyone about a Reaganesque lesson of the Cold War and asked the president a timely question about his summit with Kim Jong-un, let's watch.
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SEAN HANNITY, HOST: Mr. President, if you could elaborate a little bit more. We have some history, President Reagan walked away in Reykjavik, a lot of condemnation at the time and it ended up working out very well in the end for the United States.
Was this mostly your decision or -- and what message who you want to send Chairman Kim as he's listening to this press conference about the future and your relationship?
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT: Well, Sean, I don't want to say it was my decision, because what purpose is that. I want to keep the relationship and we will keep the relationship. We'll see what happens over the next period of time.
But as you know we got our hostages back. There's no more testing. And one of the things importantly that Chairman Kim promised me last night, is regardless, he's not going to do testing of rockets and nuclear. Not going to do testing. So I trust him and I take him at his word. I hope that's true.
But in the meantime, we'll be talking. Mike will be speaking with his people. He's also developed a very good relationship with the people -- really the people representing North Korea.
I haven't spoken to Prime Minister Abe yet, I haven't spoken to President Moon, South Korea, but we will. And we'll tell them it's a process that it's moving along, but we just felt it wasn't appropriate to sign an agreement today. We could have. I just felt it wasn't very appropriate.
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