This is the complete transcript from "On the Record," March 2, 2006.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: It's part two. Joran van der Sloot tells his side of the story. In part one of our unedited interview, you heard Joran tell in his own words how he met Natalee Holloway at the Holiday Inn Excelsior casino, then later that night, partied with her at a local bar called Carlos 'n Charlie's. After leaving Carlos 'n Charlie's, Joran says Deepak and Satish Kalpoe dropped Natalee and him off at a public beach near the Marriott Hotel, where things got physical, but they did not have sexual intercourse. When Joran wanted to go home, he says he called Deepak to come get him, but Joran claims it was actually his brother, Satish, who picked him up.
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JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, CHIEF SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY DISAPPEARANCE: I told him, you know, The girl's still on the beach and, you know, she wanted me to stay there with her. And it's — you know, I want to go — I want to go home. What do you do? And he reacted, like, you know, OK, yes, (DELETED) let's go, you know? Let's go fast.
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VAN SUSTEREN: According to Joran, that's exactly what they did, and he never saw Natalee again. Now here's part two of our unedited deposition-style interview.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Did Satish ever get out of the car when he picked you up?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, no, no. Never. He stayed behind the wheel the whole time.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you point in the general area where Natalee was?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I said that (INAUDIBLE) right there, and that — you know, that — you know, he said, yes, let's screw it. Let's — let's go home.
VAN SUSTEREN: So about how far away was Natalee, at that point, from the car when Satish picked you up?
VAN DER SLOOT: Probably 300 yards.
VAN SUSTEREN: So about 900 feet. I mean...
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: ... quite a distance. I mean, at least — I mean...
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, there's — I don't know — I didn't even know it was...
VAN SUSTEREN: So you couldn't see her, basically.
VAN DER SLOOT: No, you couldn't see her. I don't know if it was that far, actually, because you have a road that goes there, along with the beach, where he drove by. And his car is kind of fixed up, and you know, his muffler from this car is really loud, so it made a lot of noise. So that's the first thing I heard when he came with his car. That's the first thing I heard was the muffler from the car making sounds. So I actually — I knew — I knew he was coming.
VAN SUSTEREN: So when you were with Natalee — you were actually with Natalee when you heard the sound of the muffler?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did you say to Natalee, at that point?
VAN DER SLOOT: At that point, I was with her still at the beach, and I told her that I had to take her — to take her back to her hotel, that really — she really had to go back to her hotel because I really had to go — I really had to go to school the next day. And she was just, like — she thought that I would stay there with her, and that's what she — and that's (INAUDIBLE) probably what I — what I should have done. That's the one thing that I did — that I did wrong, you know, to leave her there without her — without actually saying I was going to leave her there. And yes, it just...
VAN SUSTEREN: You left without your shoes. How do you — how do you explain that?
VAN DER SLOOT: We walked onto the — on the beach in the beginning, and where we sat down there, then, I had taken off my shoes. And because, when you walk in, it was the exact same shoes that I'm wearing now.
VAN SUSTEREN: Same kind?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, exactly.
VAN SUSTEREN: Or those aren't the shoes?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, no. Those aren't the shoes...
VAN SUSTEREN: Those are the same kind.
VAN DER SLOOT: ... but those are the exact same kinds.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right.
VAN DER SLOOT: The same size, too. And — no, and so when I was on the beach, I had taken them off there, not to get sand into them. And that's where — you know, where we — were we started walking the other way. I always thought we'd go back, and that's where I'd left my shoes. And then the point in the car when we said, You know, we're going to leave, then, yes, we just left and I didn't really care about my shoes anymore.
VAN SUSTEREN: You hadn't realized — I mean, in order to — I mean, to walk that 900 feet that's — you know, you're walking through the sand and a little bit on pavement, where the car is, right?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, it's just sand, and then it comes right to the pavement. So no, I knew I didn't have my shoes with me. That's (INAUDIBLE)
VAN SUSTEREN: It didn't bother you?
VAN DER SLOOT: It didn't bother me. I mean, when he said — I wasn't planning on leaving right away. It was that action that took place there that we're, like, OK, you know, let's go. And then that's when we left.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you — you didn't say to Satish, Look, I got to go get my shoes?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, that's when — of course, I should have, but no.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did Natalee take off her shoes?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't remember. I think she had sandals on. I don't know. I think she was wearing — yes. yes, she did.
VAN SUSTEREN: She did.
VAN DER SLOOT: She had her — yes, she left her sandals there, too.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did she walk in the water with you?
VAN DER SLOOT: We didn't walk in the water, we walked on the beach the whole time.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So you took them off because you didn't want to get sand in, not because you didn't want to get them wet.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. No, no, no, because I didn't want to get sand in them.
VAN SUSTEREN: And so it wasn't the least bit peculiar to you that you left the shoes behind and got in the car?
VAN DER SLOOT: Of course — well, of course, it was peculiar, but I mean, it wasn't like — I didn't really care about them at that point. I was — it was more (INAUDIBLE) the conversation moment, like, You know, let's go. Let's — you know, Let's go because he was, like, yes, you know, screw her Let's go home. And I knew if I would have gone back, she would have been, like, again, Let's go — let's go back. Let's stay here — blah, blah, blah.
And at that point, when I called him between that, there was actually a point where I'd picked her to — you know, in a joking way, Like, OK, then I'm going to take you back to your hotel, if you don't want to go back. And she said, No, put me down. And so I put her down again. And then I was just talking to her, and yes, I explained to her why I had to go home. And she was, Oh, you know, please stay with me. Please stay with me until the next day.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you think it was unusual that Deepak didn't come back and pick you up?
VAN DER SLOOT: No (INAUDIBLE) because he was — he told me he was on his computer.
VAN SUSTEREN: What was the — there was a discrepancy at some point - - I mean, there've been a lot of reports. It's sort of hard to figure out what is and what isn't — that at one point, you said Deepak gave you a ride home. And it changed to Satish. Can you explain that? Or is there not a discrepancy?
VAN DER SLOOT: Well, there is a discrepancy there, and I did at one point say that Deepak took me home. But that was at the more point from (INAUDIBLE) we'd always said when we were at our house talking that we'd keep — that we'd keep Satish's little brother out it as much as possible when we'd actually made up the story to say that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why did you want to keep Satish out of it?
VAN DER SLOOT: I didn't want to. That's what Deepak wanted. He said, yes, you know, whatever, you keep — you know, We'll keep my little brother out of it, and that — yes. That's what we agreed on.
VAN SUSTEREN: So what — you got home about 3:30, is that right? Is that what you told me, 3:30 you got home?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, something like that. I got home a little earlier, but that's when the message that you logged onto your computer, you know, and you went on your e-mail and you went to the Web sites you went to, and yes, that's when all that is registered.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was that — so that was computer to computer? Is that the — it wasn't text messaging to text messaging?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, it was logging onto your...
VAN SUSTEREN: Computer.
VAN DER SLOOT: ... your MSN messenger at home.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did — when you sent that message off to Deepak, did he respond?
VAN DER SLOOT: He did respond, and then I had sent something back to him, and then he didn't respond back again after that.
VAN SUSTEREN: But he responded by computer, not by some other hand- held device or anything like that.
VAN DER SLOOT: No, by — by computer. I did message him. When I got home, I messaged him that I got home. And then he said — and he messaged me back, OK.
VAN SUSTEREN: And then you said what? You sent him another message, which said what?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, that was on the computer afterwards. And then we were on the computer, and then I — you know, I was just, like, Hey, what's up? I logged on there, there to the computer, because I got home. I went into my kitchen to get something to eat and something to drink. And then I was going to go to sleep. And then I just wanted to go on line and check if any of my friends were on line, if anyone to talk to. And yes, that's when I typed something to him. He responded once. I typed something back, and he didn't respond, and then I went off line.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he indicate — did your computer indicate he was still on line when you sent that second message?
VAN DER SLOOT: Oh, I don't know. I don't know.
VAN SUSTEREN: Because you don't have that ability on your program? It wasn't instant messaging?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, I think he was — he was on line, but that doesn't mean he necessarily was in front of his computer.
VAN SUSTEREN: Right. But I mean, did it say he was on line? I mean, he may not be in front of the computer, but when you sent that second message back...
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: ... you thought he was on line, but he never responded.
VAN DER SLOOT: He was. He was. Yes, he was.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK. Did he ever respond to that second message?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: An hour or two hours, three hours later?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. No, because then I — I turned off the computer and I'd gone to sleep.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know — do you have any idea what he did after he answered the first message? Did he ever tell you?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, never really talked about that after that. I never got a chance to talk to any of my friends or any of them, really, after that.
VAN SUSTEREN: So you don't know if he went to sleep or he got back in his car. You don't know.
VAN DER SLOOT: No. I mean, I can't say anything that I don't know anything about.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So when was the next time you saw Deepak?
VAN DER SLOOT: It was the following night at 12:00 at night.
VAN SUSTEREN: Where?
VAN DER SLOOT: At the casino again.
VAN SUSTEREN: The same casino.
VAN DER SLOOT: No, no, we went to another casino, the Radisson casino, and we were playing a poker tournament that night, as well.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he give you a ride, or did you meet him there? How did that work out?
VAN DER SLOOT: Oh, he called me and — and — he called me from his work and he's, like, Where are you? And I said, I'm at the Radisson with some friends, because I was there with some friends, playing poker. And he said, OK, I'm coming to you. And so then, yes, he came there.
VAN SUSTEREN: Had you ever hung out with him two nights in a row before?
VAN DER SLOOT: Two nights in a row? Never, really, because he works a lot and — yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: When you met up with him on the night of the 29th, the night going into Natalee's disappearance, when was the most recent time before that that you'd spent time with him?
VAN DER SLOOT: The most recent time before that?
VAN SUSTEREN: Yes.
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't remember exactly when it was.
VAN SUSTEREN: More than a week or two weeks? Any idea?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, it was probably a week.
VAN SUSTEREN: So this was — so when he called you the second night, on the night of the 30th, to meet you at the Radisson, that was something different, the two nights in a row where you guys were together.
VAN DER SLOOT: Sorry?
VAN SUSTEREN: That was something different that you guys were together two nights in a row, that he would call you the second night.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. I guess so. It wasn't really anything. He just called me, asked me where I was, and I said I was at the Radisson. And that's where he came to. Then when we actually — when he came there, and I just finished up and then we were going to play blackjack at another casino. And so we went outside of the — we went out of the — out of the casino and stepped into his car there. And that's exactly when I got a phone call from my dad saying, There's people here in front of their house looking for their daughter.
VAN SUSTEREN: Up until getting that phone call from your father, did Deepak say anything to you unusual or anything that stands out in your mind?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, not really.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he act any — any — did he actually like he always acted? I mean, was everything normal?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, everything was. Yes. Actually, no one — no one knew anything. Everyone — everything — everyone just acted normal. I mean, it was just, you know, I went to school the next day. I just went to school, I took — I took an exam that day and I did well on the exam. I went the next day, and everything was just normal. Just nothing was out of the ordinary.
VAN SUSTEREN: But that's for you. I'm just trying to figure out with Deepak, if, I mean, it was unusual that you are with him two nights in a row, that he calls you. And I'm trying to figure out, you know, whether or not he was acting unusual, in your mind, between the time he arrived at the casino at the Radisson and the time your father called. Anything out of the ordinary?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, nothing. Nothing out of the ordinary, no.
VAN SUSTEREN: What was he doing in the casino while you were gambling, between at the time he arrived and the time your father called?
VAN DER SLOOT: He was just standing there, watching.
VAN SUSTEREN: Had you ever been to a casino with him before?
VAN DER SLOOT: Not — yes, one time before that, I think. And just two of my friends over there, as well. They were playing, too, so he was just standing there, watching us.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, when he arrived at the Radisson, did he come over and talk to you and say, Hi, I'm here?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, he was — he was just standing there watching us the whole time because I was at the table playing. You can't actually go in there and go talk to people. So...
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he nod at you, like, Hi, I'm here? I mean, anything when he arrived (INAUDIBLE)
VAN DER SLOOT: No, at one point, I saw him standing there, and then that's when I noticed he was there.
VAN SUSTEREN: And there was no of communication between the two of you? You're playing, he's standing over at the — wherever he was standing?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. No.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up, a lie takes shape.
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VAN DER SLOOT: We were going to say the girl from yesterday — we were going to say we dropped her off at the hotel. And you know, so if anyone calls you, you know, say that.
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VAN SUSTEREN: But why did they lie? Joran gives his explanation next.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot says he left Natalee Holloway alone on a beach some time around 3:00 AM Monday morning. According to Joran, he was gambling at the Radisson casino later Monday night and into Tuesday morning with Deepak when he first realized something had gone wrong.
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VAN SUSTEREN: So you get the phone call from your father. Were you at the table when you got the call?
VAN DER SLOOT: When I got the phone call? No, we were — I — we'd actually left already, and we were going to the car to go to another casino, and that's when we got that phone call.
VAN SUSTEREN: Where were you planning to go?
VAN DER SLOOT: We were planning to go to, in town, the Excelsior casino there. Or not the Excelsior — the Crystal (ph) casino there.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So when you're standing at the car, did he say anything to you all? Did he ask you about the night before? Did he discuss the night before?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, he didn't — he didn't ask me anything.
VAN SUSTEREN: Never mentioned it at all.
VAN DER SLOOT: Never mentioned it at all.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you find that unusual or not?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN DER SLOOT: It's just normal.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So your father — so what did your father say in the phone call?
VAN DER SLOOT: In the phone call? Yes, he called me and he said, There's people here in front of the house looking for their daughter.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you know who they meant, who the daughter was, at that point?
VAN DER SLOOT: At the point, when I got that phone call, I was, like, you know, (DELETED) what if it's that girl from last night, you know, the girl from the beach? That was my first reaction.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you actually say that to Deepak, or did you think that?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, I thought that. And then that's when — you know, when I hung up, I said, OK, we're coming — we're coming home. And so then I — when I hung up the phone, I was, like — I was, like, you know, (DELETED), and I talked to Deepak and then I just told him what my dad just said on the phone. And he was, like — he was, like, (DELETED), too. And then that's when we — that's when we made up a story to say, you know, that we didn't — that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn.
VAN SUSTEREN: Whose idea was it to make up the story, yours or Deepak's?
VAN DER SLOOT: It was — it was kind of both ours. I mean, I was, like, Oh (DELETED), you know? What if something happened to her? You know, what if she went in the ocean? Or you know, what if anything happened to her? You know, that — you know, that was my first reaction. That was — that was my first normal reaction. And then — yes, so then Deepak was then — he said, OK, I'll call my brother and I'll say that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did Deepak act like he was trying to help you out or he was trying to help himself out, at that point? You got — do you have any sense of that?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know. It seemed at that point like he was trying to help me out.
VAN SUSTEREN: That had more of the issue because you were the last?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you have any thoughts that he might know more?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: No thought at all.
VAN DER SLOOT: No, never. Definitely not at that point.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So did he provide any sort of encouragement? I mean, in that ride from the Radisson to your house, what was Deepak saying?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, he called his brother and he said — he said to his brother (INAUDIBLE) that, Well, we're going to, you know — we're going to say the girl from yesterday — we're going to say we dropped her off at the hotel. And you know, so if anyone calls you, you know, say that.
And then when we got home — I mean, there was — when we got home, there wasn't anyone there. We got home, there was no one there. And then I called my dad, and, like, Where are you? And they're, like, Oh, yes, we're on the way to you, to go to the casino. And then I was, like, OK, but we're at home. (INAUDIBLE) OK, stay there. We're coming to you. So they came back to us.
So I saw a van pull up, and a police car. And you know, they jumped out of the — people jumped out of the car and a whole group came up to us and was, like, you know, What — what happened to my daughter? Where is she? You know, What did you do to her? You know, they — really, you know, screaming, going (INAUDIBLE) Deepak, they were saying, Oh, we're the FBI, telling us they were FBI agents. We saw videotape footage of you and — in the casino with her, talking to her.
And you know, just, they were — you know, at that point, you were, like (INAUDIBLE) Oh, you know, (DELETED), like, I have to go — you know, that's why we — that's why we lied. We were, like, you know, under so much pressure, you don't know what to do at that point.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up, two innocent men are arrested.
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VAN DER SLOOT: At that point, you didn't really care about them. You're more caring about — you know, about yourself.
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VAN SUSTEREN: More of our unedited interview with Joran van der Sloot in just a moment.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot now says he left Natalee Holloway alone on a beach and has no idea what happened to her. But that's not what he, along with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, first told the police.
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VAN SUSTEREN: On the drive to your house, why do you think you needed to lie? Why did you not think it was enough to say, I left her on the beach?
VAN DER SLOOT: Of course, I — of course, that's what we should have done. I mean, that was the biggest, biggest mistake very, probably biggest mistake of my life. But I mean, at that point, it's just — you weren't — I wasn't thinking that, you know — I probably wasn't thinking clearly, like, something — you know, you're thinking, Oh, something bad might have happened to her, you know? You weren't (INAUDIBLE) thinking clearly. I didn't want to have anything, you know, to do with any of that. You just wanted to get away from it as — you know, as fast as possible.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did Deepak say anything to you in the car, like, you know, What happened to her or Where was she? Did he ask you questions at all?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, not at all.
VAN SUSTEREN: He had no questions of you about — about you and Natalee and where you'd been and what are you doing?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. Not one.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think that — looking back at that, does that strike you as unusual or not?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know.
VAN SUSTEREN: No idea.
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: So you arrive home. And now, your father had gone to the Wyndham Hotel to look for you, is that right?
VAN DER SLOOT: I think so.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know why he went to the Wyndham and not the Radisson?
VAN DER SLOOT: Because that's — that's where the — I don't know. I think that's where we said we were because that's where the car was parked.
VAN SUSTEREN: So is the Wyndham next to the Radisson?
VAN DER SLOOT: It's a couple hotels farther up.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK.
VAN DER SLOOT: Like, that's where — that's when we were driving. That's where the car was at the point when they called us.
VAN SUSTEREN: So when you arrive at home, you're there first. Nobody else is there. Then the van pulls up. When you're standing there, were you having any conversation with Deepak at all while you're waiting to figure out what's going on?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. I mean, when we — when we got there, it was, basically, the story came up, you know, all out of — all out of itself, you know? It was basically making up a lie, you know, as we go along. I mean...
VAN SUSTEREN: So you hadn't made up the lie about the two black guys and her stumbling. Had you — had you...
VAN DER SLOOT: I didn't make up any of that. I mean, we were there, and they said, OK, well, then let's go to the Holiday Inn. And you know, we got in the car with — with the police officers and they went in the van. And then we went there. I mean, that's the only — just — me and Deepak, we didn't get a chance to talk to each other at all about it to actually make up, you know, a story. So it was basically making it up as we go along.
I mean, and we got out — and we got out, and then Deepak said, Oh, yes, there were two security guards there that saw her — that saw her when she got — when she stepped out of the car. And that's what — that's what he told the police. And I was, like, you know — that's what — now, if you also look back at that, you're, like — I mean, that's — that's horrible. They got arrested and held for 10 days because of this. That's really — I mean, that's something that you know, I can't forgive myself for, either.
When I was at the police (INAUDIBLE) in Nord (ph), I had this — one of the guys was next to me. And you know, he was always happy. He was always singing and talking about his — about his wife and his kid. And I was in the cell next to him. And I was talking to him, too, you know? He was really, you know, a nice guy, and you felt so guilty that it was your fault that, you know, he got arrested. That's something, you know, you feel horrible for.
VAN SUSTEREN: So the story with the two guards who got arrested, or security guards, that was Deepak's story, and you went along with it. It is that essentially right?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, but that's still not — you know, that's not — that doesn't mean anything. I just felt, you know, horrible that they got arrested, too. I mean, at that point, you're really only thinking about yourself (INAUDIBLE) and now you got to tell the truth or you're even more — you know, you're even more screwed. You're more in trouble.
So you know, it was more like, you know, at that point, you didn't really care about them. You're more caring about, you know — about yourself. And you know, when I talked to that guy later on, when he was in the cell next to me, you know, you felt — I felt like — I felt like (DELETED), and I felt so bad because he was really, you know, a nice guy to talk to. He was singing. Everyone else that was there, you know, he was keeping them happy there and telling stories. He was really a — you know, a good guy. He was really a nice guy.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was the story made up — just so I have the right idea. Was that made up when you went back to the Holiday Inn? Is that when the story was made up? Or is that when Deepak said that to the police?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up: Do the three boys continue to tell the same story to the police, or does their alliance break?
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VAN SUSTEREN: Now, I think there's a declaration and — correct me if I'm wrong — of the 13th of June. It's in Dutch, and I've seen the translation. Can't read Dutch. But I think that it says that you say that Deepak murdered Natalee? Is that wrong?
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VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot answers more of our questions, coming up next.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot says he does not know what happened to Natalee Holloway but does he suspect that Deepak and Satish Kalpoe do? Here's more of our raw unedited interview with Joran van der Sloot.
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VAN SUSTEREN: So, that was in the middle of the night essentially and you're all driving back to the Holiday Inn for you to point out where you last saw Natalee essentially?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: Where are you in the car and where is Deepak?
VAN DER SLOOT: We were in the car with police. When we were in the police car I was with him and they couldn't officially do — do anything either. I mean I don't know why they were there because, you know, after someone — you can only do something after someone is missing 48 hours, so really just parents, you know, worried about their daughter that came and were asking questions. That's what it was.
VAN SUSTEREN: How — did you talk to Deepak at all at any time? Have you talked to him about the fact that you guys made up this story like in the days that followed or anything?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, of course. In the days that followed we were at my house. They came to my house probably once ever two days and we talked about it by the pool. And I mean I don't know how many times I said, you know, you know, we never knew it would get this far that she'd be missing for so long. I mean we couldn't know anything like that.
I mean we talked about it too, you know. Should we go to the police and tell them the truth anyway? We'll probably get in trouble but, you know, I mean we — we thought about that too. I mean it's not like anything bad, I mean.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was either one of you saying, no let's keep to the story? I mean was Deepak saying, no let's keep to the story or were you saying that?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, in the end we had to (INAUDIBLE) you know we have to keep to the story. We thought we were going to be in big trouble.
VAN SUSTEREN: Where was — was Satish part of this discussion or just you and Deepak?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, Satish was there a couple times. One time Deepak came just by himself.
VAN SUSTEREN: What was Deepak saying? Did he give you any more? Like was he — tell me what he was like in those days following.
VAN DER SLOOT: He was just, you know, he was normal how he normally is.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was he worried?
VAN DER SLOOT: Worried, I don't know. You'd have to — you'd have to ask him. I can't answer questions that are — that are, you know, you can ask him about.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he appear though, I mean like did he appear worried? I mean did you observe him or just anything unusual about him?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he say anything that sort of stuck in your mind at all since then?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, not really.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he say anything about, you know, adding more to the story? Was he ever suggesting anything?
VAN DER SLOOT: He never suggested adding — adding more to the story. I mean that story we made up that one time is the one we told the police the first time as well because, yes, I mean we thought about, you know, OK, you know, tell the truth.
But at some point we were like, oh, she probably just went with someone else or probably just ran away and, you know, we never thought something bad, you know, could have happened or might have happened, never, you know.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did Deepak ever say — did you ever confront Deepak about it or ask him like, you know, did you go back or anything like that (INAUDIBLE)?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, I never once asked him. I never once asked him that.
VAN SUSTEREN: Were you ever curious whether that could have happened or not?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I mean of course like at points like now you're thinking what could have happened. I mean I knew him and he was a, you know, he was a good guy from everything I know then but, you know, at points where you're seeing now that your statements aren't the same that's not something that's normal.
I mean I wouldn't know why they wouldn't admit that, you know, his brother picked me up. I don't know why they both wouldn't say that. That's just something that — that for me that's mind boggling for me I mean. And they're saying also that we went to the lighthouse when we never even went to the lighthouse.
And, even statements from the security guard that was at the lighthouse said a car never went to the lighthouse at all. I mean that's, you know, that's mind — for me that's mind boggling.
VAN SUSTEREN: After you were arrested, I think you were arrested on the 9th is that right, 9th of June?
VAN DER SLOOT: I think we were — yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK, and I think there's a declaration, and correct me if I'm wrong, of the 13th of June. It's in Dutch and I've seen a translation. I can't read Dutch. But I think that it says that you say that Deepak murdered Natalee is that wrong?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, that's not. I never said anything like that.
VAN SUSTEREN: Never said that.
VAN DER SLOOT: I mean, no one, I mean you're talking about it very openly now and, you know, people don't know what it was like in those — in those interrogations where they interrogate you from 8:00 in the morning until 8:00 at night. I mean it's from 8:00 in the morning until 10:00 at night.
And, you know, they scream at you. They put pictures in your face. You know they do everything. I mean the police did everything to try and solve, try and solve this case. They put us under, you know, so much pressure.
I mean they tell you, you know, oh yes, remember Deepak and Satish are brothers. They're going to make up a story against you. I mean at some point you go, your mind goes so — so, you know, crazy that you just probably you want to say, "OK, I did something" just so you can go back, you know, to your cell and sleep or it wasn't an easy time at all.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, I take it, I mean you never said you did it in any of these declarations.
VAN DER SLOOT: No, no.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK, you never said that. Did you ever in any of these declarations say that Deepak did anything wrong?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, I never said anything, that they did anything wrong.
VAN SUSTEREN: Never said anything?
VAN DER SLOOT: Never.
VAN SUSTEREN: Either one of them?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up "On the Record," does Joran blame the Kalpoe brothers for spending his summer in jail?
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VAN DER SLOOT: The reason I was held there also for 90 days was that they wouldn't, you know, they didn't — at the end they didn't come out with a true story either. They didn't say that he picked me up and he dropped me off at home.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Up next "On the Record," remember party boat DJ Steve Croes? What was his role in the suspect's lie?
And later, what does Joran think about polygraph expert Jamie Skeeters? He has a strong opinion and you're going to want to hear this.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot spent nearly three months behind bars while police interrogated him about Natalee Holloway's disappearance. What did he tell them? And, did he ever say anything that pointed at his friends?
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VAN SUSTEREN: Did the police ever say to you anything about Deepak and Satish?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, I mean the police themselves, you know, I think they always felt that we were — we were guilty I think and I still think most of the police here do think that. And, you know, they will always put — they put so much, you know, pressure on us and, you know, interrogating us for hours at a time, lying to you, I mean coming into the room saying, "OK, we found — we found her body and your fingerprints on it (INAUDIBLE)."
VAN SUSTEREN: They said that to you?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, and I mean what at that point all I could do was laugh because, you know, it's just, you know, I don't have anything to do with that. I mean the part you did wrong was — was leaving a girl on the beach and lying to the police. I mean that's — you can't go back now and change all that. I can't go back and change any of that.
VAN SUSTEREN: Now, did you ever tell the police anything about or the interrogators about Deepak or Satish, whether it be true or false? I mean correct it here but did you ever say anything about them?
VAN DER SLOOT: I never said anything strictly bad about that is that what you mean?
VAN SUSTEREN: Yes, did you ever say anything at all to the police that either A is true or B is untrue now so that we can sort of straighten out what was said in the interrogations and what was not?
VAN DER SLOOT: I mean at one point I even told the police that Deepak and Satish had dropped me off at my — at my house and that they are the — and they left with Natalee alone.
VAN SUSTEREN: That was false, right?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, of course.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK.
VAN DER SLOOT: But I mean at that — you know, you were like, the police was telling you, oh yes, Deepak and Satish are trying to make up a story against you. They're trying to get you, you know, they're trying to get you screwed and just at that point (INAUDIBLE).
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you ever say anything back though, anything, anything accusatory about one of them?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, I never said that they — because I don't know. I mean I know what it feels now to be accused of something you didn't do.
VAN SUSTEREN: Right.
VAN DER SLOOT: And right now I can't — I can't say that...
VAN SUSTEREN: I understand that now but I understand that now. But last summer when you were in custody, I understand that now that you feel that way but when you were in custody last summer was there anything that you said about them, whether it's true or false that accused them?
VAN DER SLOOT: That accused them, just, no. I said that they, they dropped me off at my house and that they drove away with the girl, which wasn't true.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK.
VAN DER SLOOT: And, but to accuse them directly, no, I never said anything like that.
VAN SUSTEREN: So you never said that Deepak assaulted her or anything like that?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: Never said that you thought it might have happened or anything like that?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. I mean a lot of things, a lot of — the police talk to you a lot and off the record too. I mean they turn off the camera and, you know, they keep you in a — in a room and just like it's a very thin room there at the police station and they'd come in the room and talk to you and, you know, they'd — they'd talk to you for a long time. And they talk to you there off the record too. I mean they did — they even sent special interrogation people from Holland over to come and interrogate us.
VAN SUSTEREN: What day were you released or what — do you remember when it was when you were released?
VAN DER SLOOT: I think it was the 4th of September.
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you had any conversations with Deepak or Satish?
VAN DER SLOOT: I haven't said one word to them.
VAN SUSTEREN: Text message?
VAN DER SLOOT: Nothing. I've had...
VAN SUSTEREN: Phone call?
VAN DER SLOOT: Nothing. I haven't had any contact with them ever since then.
VAN SUSTEREN: Are you curious to talk with them?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. I don't want to talk to them anymore.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why?
VAN DER SLOOT: Because I mean if you — I mean the reason I was held there also for 90 days was that they wouldn't, you know, they didn't — at the end they didn't come out with a true story either. They didn't say that they picked me up and they dropped me off at home.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why do you think they didn't say that?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know. I mean it could be — it could be that, I mean like I said I'm not — I'm not someone that right now can go and accuse someone else because I lied myself. I mean I can't go do anything like that but it could be a reason that they, you know, they just wanted to go home because I had that same feeling too. I just wanted to go home and go to my family. And I just wanted to, you know, get on — get on with my life, I mean.
All that 90 days you spent there was, you know, wasn't easy at all. It wasn't a fun, good time at all and you just want to go home at some point like that. I mean you know you didn't do anything illegal. You know you didn't do anything wrong and you just want to go home.
VAN SUSTEREN: We don't know Deepak and we don't know Satish. How do you describe each one of them?
VAN DER SLOOT: I mean, yes, they're nice guys too. I mean from what I — the times I spent with them they're nice guys too I mean. There's nothing that I...
VAN SUSTEREN: Nothing unusual about them?
VAN DER SLOOT: That I find unusual about them, no.
VAN SUSTEREN: Are you suspicious in any way of either one of them?
VAN DER SLOOT: I mean at one point, I mean of course you start thinking, you know, why wouldn't someone say that they — that they, you know, they dropped you off at home, I mean? I was mad. I mean I was really, you know — one time they put us together in the same room and, you know, we were like, of course you get mad about that.
You get — you get frustrated like why, why won't you tell it? I mean why won't you just come forward and tell the truth now. We always agreed. That's what we agreed on, if something, you know, if it gets so far we have to tell the truth and then to not come out and tell the truth at all.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did they say?
VAN DER SLOOT: They just — either they didn't say anything or they said that, yes, we didn't — we didn't — we didn't pick you up.
VAN SUSTEREN: But they wouldn't say that to the police, I mean wouldn't correct it with the police?
VAN DER SLOOT: I mean they haven't. They haven't told the police that, no.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up, another arrest was made in the Holloway case but party boat DJ Steve Croes was he an innocent bystander or was he part of a conspiracy?
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VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know the guy. I've never met him before.
VAN SUSTEREN: You don't know this guy?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know this guy and I never talked to him before in my life.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Three weeks into the Natalee Holloway investigation the two innocent security guards had been arrested and then released. Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were in jail.
Then came a new development. Police arrested an Aruban DJ who worked on the party boat Tattoo. We sat down with Joran van der Sloot and asked him about Steve Croes.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know the DJ for the Tattoo, the party boat?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's another thing that, you know, we talked about that I wanted to talk to you about too. I mean that's — like I even feel, I feel horrible for too. I mean he was just trying — trying to help. I don't know the guy. I've never met him before.
VAN SUSTEREN: You don't know this guy?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know this guy and I never talked to him before in my life.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if Deepak knows him?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know if Deepak knew him. All that happened this one day he called me and he said, you know, "I got the jackpot" and I was like "Yes, what happened?" He's like, "Oh, don't worry. I'm going to come — I'm going to come to your house and tell you."
And then he came to me and he said that someone had come up to him and said that he saw us, that he'd seen us drop the girl off at the Holiday Inn and that he would — and that, yes, if there was anything he'd testify to that to police. That's what Deepak told me. So, I was like, you know, OK. That's great.
VAN SUSTEREN: So, Deepak was adding to the lie essentially coming up with a corroboration of the lie, the Holiday Inn's lie.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, you know, he talked to the — I don't know what - - I wasn't there when he talked to Steve Croes. I don't know what went along with him but, you know, he just talked to Deepak and he came, yes, and that Steve Croes ended up saying that he saw us dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn. And they talked for — I mean they held him for ten days too. I mean that's — that's not — that's not fun to be in jail at all. They talked to him for ten days.
VAN SUSTEREN: But he had — but he had lied. I mean they caught him in that lie.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, and then by that time we changed our declaration already. I mean, I mean he lied, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: So, I take it that Deepak told you that between May 30th and June 9th...
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: ...told you the story about the Tattoo boat. Did you ask him how he knew the guy?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, he told me he didn't know the guy.
VAN SUSTEREN: The guy just spontaneously came up to him?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, at work. That's what he told me. The guy (INAUDIBLE) came up to him at work and told him that.
VAN SUSTEREN: I assume you thought that was odd.
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know. I don't know. I mean I don't know if that's true or not. I never met the guy before.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up "On the Record"...
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VAN DER SLOOT: I don't care if someone thinks badly of me now. I mean that's really — I really don't care about that anymore. What I care about is that a lot of stuff that's going on that's just wrong.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot has a major beef with someone and he'll tell you who it is right after the break.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Natalee Holloway has been missing for nine months. For nearly three of those, Joran van der Sloot was in jail. He says it was not any fun but that he learned some important lessons while he was locked up.
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VAN SUSTEREN: What was it like for you in jail?
VAN DER SLOOT: It wasn't, I mean, I mean they treated me really well there when I was there. I mean all the people there were great. Also, you know, the security guards and everyone was really, really supportive, really good but, I mean of course it's not fun to be in jail I mean.
You know you don't have your, you know, you don't have your freedom to walk, to do what you want to do. I mean now you take things that you probably took for granted in the past, like you know, I had so much time to just think about everything and think about life and, you know, everything that you were doing that was, you know, not right, that it was, you know, wrong.
I mean now those things that you took for granted, just walks on the beach or walks in the park or talk with your friends, I mean, now when I have the chance to do stuff like that it's — I look at it in — in a better way. I mean life's super — super fragile.
I mean for the — I mean it's — you know I look at life in a way, different way now and now I just want to live every day, you know, to its fullest and just, you know, see how — how, you know, important life really is. I had a long time to think about what you did was wrong and shouldn't have.
You know lying to the police was — was wrong, stupid, just oh, and you know everything was just, everything that you did, everything that you did, you know, I had a long time to think about all my friends and about my — about my girlfriend. I mean I had a girlfriend at the time too. I mean, you know, you go to — you got to think about all that stuff.
And you're like, you know, what, you know what are you doing? Because it was — it was a normal — it was a normal thing for us to do, you know, go to our friends, go to the beach, talk to American tourists, you know, then go out with them and have a good time and, you know, nothing — nothing ever bad has ever happened. I mean it's happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong.
And this is something it's — everyone wants to find out what happened and I think people need to find out what happened for everyone's sake, you know, just to get this closed with and get this moved on with. And I mean I don't care if someone thinks badly of me now. I mean that's really — I really don't care about that anymore.
What I care about is that a lot of stuff that's going on that's just wrong. I mean you can't go — you can't go on and boycott an island. I mean that's — you can't. With me that's super wrong. I mean people like Jamie Skeeters who will take a tape, who will tape someone without them knowing and go there and actually — and edit a tape in a way that is someone saying something they didn't say that's — that's sick. That's something you can't, I mean why would you go and set someone up for something, you know? Why would you go and do that? That's not even normal.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Thank you for being with us tonight. Now, we promised you we would show you ever second of our interview with Joran van der Sloot and that's exactly what we're going to do.
Tomorrow night we will show you the final installment. Joran will tell you what happened when he was served with a lawsuit by Natalee's family and he will answer the allegation that he's a sexual predator.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl or something, never?
VAN DER SLOOT: Never, never. I mean you can talk to any — any girl I've ever been with and they could say I always treated them in the right way. I mean I never laid a finger on a girl without her wanting to. I've never done anything like that before.
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