This is a rush transcript from "The Ingraham Angle," April 29, 2019. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

LAURA INGRAHAM, HOST: I'm Laura Ingraham and it is really good to be back. This is "The Ingraham Angle" from Washington tonight. In just moments Trump campaign manager, Brad Parscale joins me for the 2020 teams' first response to Biden's Pennsylvania rollout.

And another tragedy at a house of worship and the ghouls in the media are already blaming Trump. We put together an amazing panel, you're not going to see this anywhere else on television tonight. Christians, Jews, Muslims, the conversation you will not want to miss, straight ahead.

Plus why is Barack Obama running from the idea of Biden running? Well, Victor Davis Hanson thinks he knows and is here to explain and finally, Robert Francis O'Rourke has staked out dangerous positions on immigration but his latest language is just ridiculous.

It's despicable or irresponsible, take your pick. Someone was has followed his political career from the start will be here to explain what's going on behind this radical turn. But first, the Chuck, Nancy and Joe show. That's the focus of tonight's Angle.

Tomorrow Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer return to the White House for a meeting with President Trump. Now this time it's about an infrastructure deal but in a moment, I'm going to tell you what the showdown is really all about.

And today the guy who spent eight years working there, Joe Biden. He tried mightily to convince you that this time he has all the answers. But what's in his pitch in this phenomenal Trump economy?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOE BIDEN, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think we have to - I think we have to rethink how we define what constitutes a successful economy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

INGRAHAM: He can barely get the words out there. Well, that's convenient, right? If you can't beat him as in Trump's economic numbers, just change the way everything is scored because by traditional metrics, I'm talking GDP, wage growth, unemployment numbers and the stock market truck should be a lock for 2020.

Whether you like his tone or not or his tweets, the President has beaten almost every target set by the so called economic experts. Speaking of so called experts, Nobel laureate Paul Krugman, he predicted an economic apocalypse, a global recession after Trump's selection. Well, what happened to that?

Here's today's headline in Forbes.

TEXT: The Trump 2020 economic recession isn't happening.

INGRAHAM: Sorry Paul. And what can we expect though under a President Biden? What will he deliver? Well, say goodbye to America first trade policies that are working. Biden was a big advocate for that boondoggle known as the trans-Pacific partnership that would've offshored job to places like Malaysia and Vietnam.

Bye-bye to the tariffs that have forced cheating countries to the table and Biden would ditch all the protections for American workers founded deals like the USMCA. So if you're one of the 450,000 Americans with a new manufacturing job, your future will be far from certain under Biden.

But remember, Joe pledges to bring you dignity.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BIDEN: The dignity of work is my mission which is about being able to provide security and share joys with your family. The definition of dignity is that people should never be treated as a means to an end but an end in themselves.

When I think about work, I think about dignity. I think about a lot about my dad. A proud gentleman. My dad had an expression, he said Joey, a job is about a lot more than a paycheck. It's about your dignity. It's about respect.

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INGRAHAM: Of course he fails to respect the tight labor market that Trump's policies have helped create. What does that do? That helps with restoring dignity because workers' wages are finally going up. More money in your pocket, more time to spend with your family. And now does dire predictions, they all failed.

Now that things are going so well, well Biden has to kind of throw magic reality altering dust in the air to convince you that this isn't one of the best times ever to be an American who is willing to work and by the way, it is.

Well, Trump, of course has an easy response to that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP: Remember, President Obama said manufacturing jobs are gone. You need a wand, a magic wand. We found the magic wand because they're coming and they're coming fast.

I love the fact that wages are rising fastest for the lowest income Americans, percentagewise. And we're now the number one economy anywhere in the world and it's not even close.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

INGRAHAM: Little different from the Biden rally today. But now it's time to deal with Chuck and Nancy because they're back at 1600, Pennsylvania Avenue tomorrow with a framework for a massive infrastructure package. Remember, last month at a Democrat retreat, Pelosi floated a price tag of $2 trillion.

Democrats also want to expand the definition of what infrastructure is beyond in other words, fixing bridges roads and airports to include things like enhancing broadband, water systems, schools and housing. Why not? Why stop there? And predictably, Democrats want the cost to be borne by people, meaning you by doing what? Raising taxes, of course.

Well, that's a non-starter for this President because he believes a tax hike will slow this red hot economy and of course betray his campaign promises to be a tax cutter. My question is this, will there be any big kumbaya moment?

Imagine if they were swaying back and forth, tomorrow. Caught on camera, either during or after the confab. Well, look, it's hard to imagine any cooperative spirit given how their last meetup went down.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: If we don't have border security, Chuck, we're not going to keep it up.

REP. NANCY PELOSI, D-CALIF.: I'm with you.

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER, D-N.Y.: We want to do the same thing we did last year, this year.

TRUMP: Chuck, we can build a much bigger section.

SCHUMER: Let's debate in private.

TRUMP: Okay.

SCHUMER: Okay? Let's debate in private.

PELOSI: And that is we came in here in good faith and we're entering into this kind of discussion in the public -

TRUMP: But it's not bad Nancy.

PELOSI: No.

TRUMP: It's called transparency.

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INGRAHAM: It's called transparency, let's close the doors, keep the reporters out. My friends make no mistake. This whole routine tomorrow is as much about setting the narrative for 2020 as it is about getting something done that is traditionally a bipartisan effort. Infrastructure.

If infrastructure spending can pay for itself by stimulating the economy, creating its own revenue stream, well, I guess you can make the argument for it. But if not, we shouldn't do that infrastructure spending, at least not right now.

Democrats and Republicans are addicted to spending your money albeit they have different priorities. Republicans, remember were itching to bust those Obama era spending caps to jack up military spending, they thought it was justified.

And Democrats, well, they're fine on spending money we don't have on stuff like Green Energy, free college, free preschool, free everything.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BETO O'ROURKE, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We are announcing the most ambitious climate plan in the history of the United States. That means mobilizing $5 trillion.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, I-VT., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We are going to deliver a Medicare for all single payer system.

SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN, D-MASS., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Make college universally available with free tuition and fees.

SEN. KAMALA HARRIS, D-CALIF., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We will guarantee that right with universal pre-K and debt-free college.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

INGRAHAM: There's no end to this spending but this my friends is the national debt clock. And it's obscene that we're doing this to future generations. Everybody talks, you know, about modifying entitlements, changing them, reforming them. But no one ever does anything about it.

Axios reported today by the way that Chuck and Nancy are carefully though preparing for this meeting tomorrow with the President. But they want to do it in order to gain maximum political benefit. Their true aim is to set up whomever the Democratic nominee is as the defender of the working men and women against the rich executives.

And considering Biden's performance today. He needs all the help he can get.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BIDEN: It's not just for people who get to four-year college degrees but those who compete for job training and trades and programs. Look guys, we can do all this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

INGRAHAM: And that's The Angle. Joining me now to react is Brad Parscale, campaign manager for the Trump 2020 campaign. Brad.

BRAD PARSCALE, TRUMP 2020 CAMPAIGN MANAGER: Hyper rally there, right?

INGRAHAM: You know something, if people yawn behind you. I'm sure people have yawned, people yawning now, that's just kind of cheeky little thing to do, my first night back in for a week. But what do you make of the Joe Biden campaign rollout, as a campaign analyst? Not as the Trump campaign manager.

PARSCALE: I get it. I do think that we have plenty more people in our concession line as at that rally. The President has a following behind him is just so many - so much larger, it's incredible. I saw that really and I was like, is that a rally or is that like a - I don't know what that is.

But I think it's even funnier that he goes to Pennsylvania, a place where his policies like NAFTA put more jobs in Mexico in Pennsylvania, TPP which would have been destruction of the rust belt. I mean for a guy who says he's with Pennsylvania, it seems like he's pretty much their enemy.

Everything he's done. I mean, the Obama presidency was horrible for Pennsylvania. They lost hundreds of thousands of jobs.

INGRAHAM: But he said today that he's confident, Brad, that if you can win Pennsylvania, he takes the whole thing. Let's watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BIDEN: If I'm going to be able to beat Donald Trump in 2020, it's going to happen here, Western Pennsylvania, northeast Pennsylvania, places where a little lately we've had a little bit of a struggle.

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INGRAHAM: A little bit of a struggle.

PARSCALE: It kind of shows you to change of their fears. It used be Florida, Ohio and other places. Now they're moving on down the line. I mean Pennsylvania, I think clearly still is going to recognize what Trump's done for the steel and aluminum there, what he's done for the economy there.

It's the lowest unemployment in 51 years, I believe in Pennsylvania. I mean overall, every metric, the President doing better than Obama and Biden did during their years. I mean in 40 years and Biden, I guess had been in government, he's never done anything that's helped Pennsylvania, anywhere like Trump has done.

INGRAHAM: The President always says like he's fine with going up against anyone and calls him Sleepy Joe and you know, he has nicknames for everybody. But Biden still does have more of an everyman appeal for then and - than a lot of these others candidates. And I've known him for a long time. You know, he's been around forever.

But he does have more of an avuncular - well, maybe I should say less threatening persona. Do you think that that is a challenge for the President in states like Michigan. Maybe Pennsylvania later on depending how they can -

PARSCALE: I think there's a couple of things. One is Biden definitely has a higher name ID and part of becoming a run for President is not name ID, right? You have to be known for them to be able to judge you. I imagine Biden, next Sanders has the highest name ID. The second thing is you know, the rust belt you know, a more moderate candidate would do better but the problem is these candies are all right towards left, even Biden.

They're all right toward socialism. They're all running towards these things and the fact is, I mean especially what these union leaders do, these swampy creatures who act like they're union people are not with him. I mean our numbers clearly show how many union workers actually -

INGRAHAM: You think they'll defy union leadership turn out for Trump?

PARSCALE: Well, I think yes. 100%. We saw that in 2016. It was clear. We're going to see that in 2020.

INGRAHAM: You're targeting them household by household.

PARSCALE: Yes, we target you know - these are the blue collar workers. Look, just in the last couple of rallies, I think 20% - 15% to 20% of people in the Wisconsin rally were blue collar union workers.

INGRAHAM: What - what's going on? I got to ask about this immigration deal. Washington Post - ABC had a poll, they release it today, I guess about immigration and the President. See, I - the base is with him on his immigration priorities. But the headline is Trump is a disaster on his top issue. Of course, this is The Washington Post.

PARSCALE: Yes.

INGRAHAM: A new poll suggests a lot of voters 44% of Americans say Trump's handling of illegal immigration makes them more likely to oppose his re- election versus 31% who say it makes them more likely to support him. How do you respond to this? I'm curious.

PARSCALE: First of all, let's just talk about the data. First of all, it's an opinion piece. Second of all, about 40% of people vote Democrat every time so really talking about 4% of people then. I mean, of course all the 40% that vote Democrat every time are going to say, they don't like it.

This is their number one talking point to be against it. The fact is though, I just got out of the field. In Mexico, Arizona, all along the border and everywhere immigration is the biggest problem, President is way up.

INGRAHAM: Are you trying to - you're trying to flip New Mexico. Is that correct?

PARSCALE: I think - I think - yes and I think Nevada and Colorado, these states, people don't understand, the Latino population, the people live in these areas are supporting the President in new larger numbers.

INGRAHAM: What's going on with Texas though. I saw drudge trying to link up four different - four different Democrats versus the President, head to head in Texas. You're not worried about Texas?

PARSCALE: I'm not worried about Texas.

INGRAHAM: Changing - changing voter demographics?

PARSCALE: No, no, look, I mean, do I think Austin and these areas are something the Republican party's going to watch out as a whole in some of these House races? Yes. Do I think Texas is even close to flipping for anything other than Trump? Absolutely not.

INGRAHAM: All right, Erin - Erin Burnett, your pal over at another network at CNN said this about the rollout today.

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ERIN BUFFET, CNN ANCHOR: Biden's decision to take the fight straight to Trump is clearly getting under Trump's skin. The President firing off four tweets today directed at Biden. He loves to call him Sleepy Joe Biden and Biden obviously has been on Trump's mind.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

INGRAHAM: You see him getting under the President's skin? He talks about the President everyday almost?

PARSCALE: No, look, I think that the President has taken the fight to anybody that takes the fight to him. I think he's a counter puncher, he does that. He's taken to Sanders, he obviously took it to Warren. Why she's nowhere even close in this race. You know, he's going to punch and he's going to - especially when like today's announcement, that was just full of lies.

I mean, the entire thing was - I mean, he's going to restructure the way we're going to talk about economies just so that -

INGRAHAM: So you have to measures it -

PARSCALE: You have to measure it.

INGRAHAM: You have to have a conversation about what constitutes a successful economy. I've heard a lot of good lines -

PARSCALE: Trump did that.

INGRAHAM: But I was - the funny things is like all the metrics that they were using, GDP, this is how they measure economies. Bush's economy, that's all Obama wanted.

PARSCALE: They can't find a metric that's not better so that's the problem and so they have to turn to something else and so they're trying to turn to identity, they're trying to turn it to all these things and they're reaching and people are going to get into the voting booth, vote for economy.

INGRAHAM: Hey, good to see you. Thanks for coming on.

PARSCALE: Thank you very much.

INGRAHAM: I know you left the - They needed you to cheer for them so it's good. All right, Biden kicked off his campaign, remember, claiming this about today's red hot economy.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BIDEN: The middle class is hurting. It's hurting now. The stock market is roaring but you don't feel it. There's $2 trillion tax cut last year, did you feel it, did you get anything from it?

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INGRAHAM: I don't know if there was an immediate reaction to that question. Well, Biden always did have a little trouble with the truth. Here's what the Independent Tax Policy Center says about the middle class tax cut and Trump's overall tax cut plan. 82 percent of households making $50,000 to $75,000 a year, got a tax cut and 87 percent of households making between $75,000 and $100,000 a year got one as well.

Joining me now with reaction, Dan Bongino Fox news contributor and Chris Hahn, former aide to Senator Chuck Schumer and host of the Aggressive Progressive podcast on revolver. All right, Chris, why won't Democrats admit that Trump's tax cuts work?

CHRIS HAHN, FORMER AIDE TO CHUCK SCHUMER: Well, they work for some people. I don't think most of the middle class feel -

INGRAHAM: We just read you the statistic.

HAHN: Oh, they got a tax cut. I agree, they did get one. It might have been 25 Bucks, might've been 100 Bucks, I don't know that they felt it and that's the real question, right? In elections, it's not about reality. It's about what people are actually feeling. That's what Trump did during the last election.

He was very good at convincing people that they have not felt the economic recovery that Obama had been delivering in his eight years as President and he was very successful in delivering that message home because most people in the middle did not feel the economy recover.

They did not feel secure and they did not feel the economy recover so when it comes to tax cuts, you talk to regular people, Laura. I know I do. They didn't really feel it.

INGRAHAM: Dan, back to reality. People are getting bonuses who had never gotten bonuses before. Construction workers in the place where Joe Biden did his big reveal today, they don't - they can't even find of construction workers, wages going up. Texas construction workers, oil and gas workers, biotech workers are all seeing - either they're seeing bonuses and uptick in wages.

I don't - I know it's a hard argument to make but I don't think Joe Biden even came close to making it in a convincing fashion. What say you?

DAN BONGINO, FOX NEWS HOST, THE DAN BONGINO PODCAST: Yes, and I and I just don't know what Chris is talking about. It's almost like liberals are like immune to data. It's like you give them a number, you say upwards of 80 percent of Americans got a tax cut and they go, no, they didn't.

And then you say, well, there's a poll out now showing large majorities of Americans think the economy is good to very good and their answer is, no, other kids did it like it was a Beavis and Butthead episode.

I mean you cannot get through to liberals, this is phenomenal. It's you know - they're so good at gaslighting people but you're right Joe Biden made an awful argument. The fact of the matter is again just facts here, I know these are troubling to some liberals out there. Barack Obama presided over and Joe Biden, the worst recovery from recession in modern American history based on any available metric.

I mean, we measure economic growth by growth numbers, GDP numbers, they never - Barack Obama is the only President in modern American history in two terms - two terms to never reach annualized 3% growth. That's just a fact however uncomfortable for liberals to have to digest that.

INGRAHAM: Well, Chris - hold Chris, I do have a question. Just again, what people were predicting. You must at least admit that that there were a lot of fancy pants economists who saw Trump coming in and they were freaking out. They were like it's going to be a massive global sell off, it's going to be a disaster.

Krugman is the creme de la creme for the left in economics. He was fantastically wrong. The man should never show his face in public again, if you ask me, given that single projection that he made. He's an economist and a Nobel Prize winning one. By every metric, if President Obama had reached this pinnacle of success, economically, he'd be on Matt Rushmore by now.

But now somebody's going to change the rules of how we measure a good economy. I mean, that's - you can't even argue that with a straight face at this point. I feel bad for Biden.

HAHN: Laura - Laura, I cannot argue that this is a bad economy. This is a good economy, right now and I hope it continues. I really do hope it continues. That said, even with - even these great numbers, even with these great numbers, the President's at 39% in some polls and 41% in the average.

So the economy is not translating into people voting for the President and that's because there are people and I'm not saying, they didn't get a tax cut, Dan. I'm not saying economy is not good. There are some people who still feel insecure and whether that's because of the economy or the way the President behaves with Congress, we don't know but that's the question that the voters are going to decide next year and that's what Joe Biden's getting at in his speech.

INGRAHAM: Okay, I think we've made progress. Dan, last word.

BONGINO: Chris, it's binary. Okay? People are always going to be insecure about the economy, it's not Utopia. The question is do you feel more secure with Trump than you did under the horrible Barack Obama economy? That's the real question.

You're using a utopian fallacy, it's as simple as that. And the answer is you're better off than you were a few years ago.

HAHN: What 2016 - what the mid-terms taught us was that even people who don't like - who like Trump aren't really trusting Trump and I don't know if that's going to translate in 2020.

INGRAHAM: All right, guys, we're out of time but I will - I will remind our viewers and you both this. People were so dissatisfied with the way things were going in 2016 that they took a flyer on a guy who had never done politics before and never been elected to office and they went from Obama and they elected Donald Trump, okay?

So they were willing to throw out the Obama economy and go for - go for a new guy so we'll see how this all works out. Great, having you both on.

HAHN: We'll see, it's going to be fun.

INGRAHAM: All right, blaming Trump for the latest synagogue shooting, blatant antisemitism from The New York Times and a thwarted Islamic terror attack in our country. A Christian leader, a rabbi and a Muslim reformist are here. A can't miss discussion next.

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INGRAHAM: In the hours following the tragic shooting at a synagogue in San Diego California, some in the media - well, they took up a familiar refrain.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a President who will not - not only will not acknowledge that we have an epidemic of white nationalist terror after New Zealand so just a few people. He's providing the mood music for it.

JOE SCARBOROUGH, MSNBC HOST: The blood that is spilled is on your hands. We are so past dog whistles now, Donald. You were just inciting violence.

MASHA GESSEN, THE NEW YORKER STAFF WRITER: What we have is a President who delegates violence, who calls on people to be violent, right? And so the violence comes to the forefront.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

INGRAHAM: Well that's disgusting and it's shameless commentary following Christchurch, Sri Lanka and the San Diego synagogue attack. We thought it was a good time to take a step back and speak to folks from different faiths. So here now Ralph Reed, Chairman of the Faith And Freedom Coalition, Rabbi Aryeh Spero, Spokesman for the National Conference on Jewish Affairs and Asra Nomani, co-founder of the Muslim Reform Movement and author of the book, Standing Alone.

Rabbi, I want to start with you. Your reaction to the commentary by some, not everyone but some. All weekend long, I did hear drumbeat continue to this morning that the President is somehow to blame for this attack on a synagogue in California. Is that how your community is feeling this tonight?

RABBI ARYEH SPERO, PRESIDENT, CAUCUS FOR AMERICA: The chorus of what you just played is a chorus of liars. We're talking about a synagogue, a Jewish synagogue that was attacked. There is nobody, there has never been a President that has loved the Jewish people and supported Israel as Donald Trump had. Nothing Donald Trump could have ever said would have caused this. On the contrary, Trump is always supporting the Jewish people. He's lauding the Jewish people. He did that before he was even President.

We all know that from New York City. What is so odious here is this group of people, none of them are known for being supporters of Israel or being supporters of the Jewish people. I've never heard of them as being somehow specially supportive of the Jewish people. Take some of them for example.

There's one of them on there that is known for inflammatory rhetoric against the state of Israel. It's he is the person that we have to worry about.

INGRAHAM: Yes, so Trump blaming makes - Ralph, I got to get you on this. How do the various religious communities, how can they come together after this spate of attacks on places of worship. I have to say the synagogue, Christchurch slaughter, the Easter Sunday mass, as a Roman Catholic and I was away last week.

I cried. I was with someone who's actually friends with the father of the three children who died. He was beside himself and I was sent pictures from people who are there. I can't - I'm - feel extremely affected by this just as a person. But all of it's horrible. How do people come together after all this?

RALPH REED, PRESIDENT, FAITH AND FREEDOM COALITION: Well, I think a House of Worship is a place of refuge. It's a place of love, a place of mercy, a place where we're to receive forgiveness and to be accepted by God as we understand him to be and for that place to be a place of violence, of ethnic hatred.

In the case of Sri Lanka, a virulent, Islamist. Anti-Christian bigotry in the case of the attack on the San Diego synagogue this past weekend. Laura, virulent anti-Semitism by the way, by a Trump hating anti-Semite who said he hated Trump because he loved Jews and he loved Israel.

So what - what can we do as men and women of faith? First of all we can unite behind our common humanity. Second of all, we can assert the need to do whatever - whatever is necessary to resist religious bigotry and hatred and all of its ugly forms and we shouldn't try to use this to score cheap political points --

INGRAHAM: Completely agree.

REED: -- that are false as was done to the president.

INGRAHAM: Asra, we had those horrible comments by the president. We also had a thwarted Islamic attack in the United States, FBI. We had The New York Times cartoons, and I think we have both of them. Now, this was an offensive cartoon from a few days back, and then a few days later, they had another cartoon that replaced the one they had sort of apologized for. Look at that one. So this is where we are. Like, what is going on here?

ASRA NOMANI, CO-FOUNDER, MUSLIM REFORM MOVEMENT: I go back in history, my own personal history, 17 years ago when journalist Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by one brand of anti-Semitism. Three men walked into a room with a knife and a video camera and took Danny's life. That was one type of extremism from within my community.

This past weekend, we had another type of extremism against a Jewish woman and her synagogue. So these are bookends on the same type of hate. And this idea of just looking out one aspect of hate in our world, to me is so diminishing. It doesn't include all that we need to do.

For these 17 years in my Muslim community, I have said this is our holy book. Every verse and in chapter in which we condemn the Jews or the Christians must go. We can't accept that kind of interpretation in the 21st century. And that young man who was arrested this weekend was a convert to Islam who wanted to attack more Jews. In the deposition, in the affidavit, they said that he wanted to attack the Yahudis. That's our Arabic word for Jews.

INGRAHAM: And he was a convert to Islam, but in the L.A. Times headline is says Army combat vet. They don't refer to --

NOMANI: And I watched Erin Burnett, and she didn't mention it. So what I am saying is we have to all own up to our own extremism and challenge it. That's how we'll have peace.

INGRAHAM: Rabbi, your close here. We have enormous suffering. We have an anonymous problem on our hands. We have a radicalism problem. We obviously have some white nationalists out there who want to kill people as well. It's not Donald Trump people. When I hear that, it's just despicable, but that's what's happening. Really quick, about 10 seconds from you, Rabbi.

SPERO: That's all counterproductive. What we have to do is to see the good in each other and we have to stop all of this blaming, and people should stop blaming the president and stop saying that the United States is a racist country. This is a wonderful country. We can see the good in this country, and that will bring the healing.

INGRAHAM: All right, all of you, thank you so much. A big conversation. As I said, we are going to be doing a special, an hour just on faith in the United States and the need to protect it.

But what's really behind former President Obama's reluctance to support a Joe Biden presidential run? VDH is here next to tell us.

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BARACK OBAMA, FORMER PRESIDENT: You can actually track that when the economy is doing better, typically our politics is less divided. It gets more divided when people are feeling insecure and anxious.

The good news is that fear is typically the province of the old. Hope is the province of the young.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

INGRAHAM: Oh, is that right? Those comments from former President Obama this past weekend perhaps take on new meaning after a piece published yesterday in New York Times. The paper writing that Obama convinced Biden not to run in 2016, believing that Hillary Clinton offered the best chance to beating Trump. Perhaps more damning, though, he chose to have his strategist deliver his lack of support instead of doing it face-to-face.

Here now, Victor Davis Hanson, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, author of the new book "The Case for Trump." Victor, last week, Biden, I think claimed that he asked Obama not endorse him this time around. So does anyone believe that now? A guy who is a global superstar to this day, despite his rather anemic economic recovery, he doesn't want his endorsement? I mean, that's classic.

VICTOR DAVIS HANSON, HOOVER INSTITUTION: Yes, I think most presidents pick their vice presidents to begin with because they are sort of on the opposite ends of the political spectrum within their party, and they don't really like it when they run necessarily. Remember, Reagan didn't really endorse George H. W. Bush for a while.

But I think there is something special about the reluctance with Biden. Remember, Obama put up with Biden for eight years, and he got to know him as indiscreet and imprecise, and already he said he's going to take Trump behind the gym and beat him up. and I think Obama thinks he is a little imprecise.

They were introduced in the national scene. Remember when Biden said that Obama was the first clean and articulate black politician, and that was sort of an insult to majestic figures like Shirley Chisholm or Barbara Jordan or Senator Brooke from Massachusetts. So there's not a lot of affinity.

And then to win this thing, Biden is not going to be the identity, new blood politician that Obama promised when he recalibrated the Democratic Party into a progressive movement. He's got to go back to his 90s identity. He's having trouble doing it. And he's the man of Pennsylvania, the working man suddenly. But remember what Obama said about Pennsylvanians. They were clingers who were obsessed with religion and guns.

INGRAHAM: Bitter clingers, yes.

HANSON: Yes, they are clingers. So how can you say you recalibrated the Democratic Party, you've got all this new diverse blood in there, and you're a hardcore leftist entity now, and then Biden saying that doesn't include me. There's no place for me in this new family, and so I have got to go back to Joe Biden 1988 candidate, and that 1988 doesn't sit well with Obama and the other people in the party.

INGRAHAM: OK, I also want to get your thoughts on this. Why is Trump still having to fight forces within his own party? I've been thinking a lot about this today. Three recent examples. Over the weekend Senate Finance Committee Chair Chuck Grassley issued this threat. He said "If these tariffs aren't lifted, USMCA," the replacement for NAFTA, "is dead. There is no appetite in Congress to debate USMCA with these tariffs in place."

Then there was Mitt Romney's reaction to the Mueller report, saying he is sickened at the extent and pervasiveness of dishonesty, misdirection, blah, blah, blah. And of course, don't forget Mike Lee, one of a dozen GOP senators who voted against Trump's national emergency declaration at the border.

Victor, these are Trump's friends at a critical point and juncture for this country. What's going on?

HANSON: I think a couple of things. Trump didn't say that he was going to drain the Democratic swamp. He said the swamp. And that means Republicans too. So if you recalibrate the Republican message, as he did in 2016 to restore industry and jobs to the interior of the country, to challenge China, to make our allies pay their fair share, to close the borders, what arrows do you have in your quiver but things like tariffs and talking tough to NATO and building a wall? And the Republican establishment had been sort of "Wall Street Journal," Chamber of Commerce, Mitt Romney, Marquis of Queensberry type politeness. And when Trump comes in to do these things, he has no choice. There's not very many things you can do to get fair trade with people like the Chinese or the Germans or the Mexicans. And so they don't like the methodology.

And the second thing is that he's polling about anywhere from 42 to make 44, depending on the poll, maybe 47, the Rasmussen poll. And so these guys have their finger to the wind, and they're thinking, I don't know what's going happen, but I'm not going to come out and get off the fence until he is up to 49 or 51, despite the great news.

INGRAHAM: But Victor, they waited. We've got to go, but they waited and waited and waited in 2016, and they all look like fools scrambling back on the Trump express after they all shunned him, including Paul Ryan, as I recall. So this how it all went down, and now they're going to make the same mistake again. They will make the same mistake again and I think in the last lap. All right, Victor.

HANSON: Yes. Yes. They've learned nothing and forgotten nothing.

INGRAHAM: Great way to put it. Victor, thank you so much.

An alarming language on Trump's immigration policy from 2020 Democratic candidate Beto O'Rourke. Remember him? But was he always like this? And is Texas really at play in 2020? A man who has followed Beto on all these issues, up next.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you could, would you take the wall down now here?

BETO O'ROURKE, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes, absolutely.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Like you have a wall, you'd knock it down.

O'ROURKE: I'd take the wall down.

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INGRAHAM: First, Beto O'Rourke, a.k.a. Robert Francis, wanted to tear down the wall protecting his home town of El Paso from the crime-ridden city across Juarez. A local station reporting that this month, though, is the deadliest in eight years there. Now radicalized leftist and former darling of the Democratic Party is comparing our country's immigration laws to, you guessed it, slavery.

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O'ROURKE: Millions living in the shadows, working some of the toughest jobs, lucky to make of minimum wage, some not even making that, kept in modern-day bondage. Their immigration status used as leverage to keep them down from fully participating in this country's success and in our economy, an economy that works too well for too few, and not well enough for most Americans.

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INGRAHAM: Joining me now is Texas Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick. When you think of our immigration laws, Dan, is slavery the first thing that pops into your mind?

DAN PATRICK, R-TEXAS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR: What a moron. When he says the economy is not working, it works well for some but not for all Americans. Beto, they're not Americans. They are here illegally. And it's not slavery. The only slavery, as I've talked about on your show a few weeks ago, is what the Democrats are doing to those victims of sex trafficking. They are doing that, but for this to be slavery? Do you know what Beto went on to say, Laura? He said they are in slavery because they can't roam freely across the Texas border. This guy is unbelievable.

And you know what, his crowds are really diminishing. He drew 35 people at an event in Nevada this past weekend. He is really out of the race, Laura.

When he ran against Cruz, the Texas media never asked him one hard question, they never asked him one follow-up question. They guy has no substance whatsoever. And on reparations, not only slavery, but now he's talking about he supports Sheila Jackson Lee's bill for reparation. Remember Sheila Jackson Lee who thought we landed on Mars and not the moon and argued about it.

But listen to what he says. He says we need to get people, we need to force people almost into -- he didn't say reeducation camps, but that's what he means. So we can go face-to-face, eyeball-to-eyeball, and that we need to pay reparations. There are a lot of people in the northern part of the country who died to free slaves. Should they pay reparations in the south, they were fighting the war? Are we ever going to let it go? Are we ever going to let it go?

INGRAHAM: What happened to this guy? Wasn't he a little bit more reasonable not so long ago? Was he always this leftwing? He never left the punk rock weird costume stage?

PATRICK: He is so late in the loafers he floats off the ground at times, Laura. Let me tell you something, when he ran, and I watched, he had $80 million, he was on television every commercial break for months and months. He never said anything, never said anything.

INGRAHAM: Why is he tied with Trump? Put the graphic up on the screen. We have a number of face-off -- we have Trump versus Biden, Trump- O'Rourke, Trump-Sanders. And they are all pretty much a dead heat. He's tied with this new head to head polling that just came out. This is Emerson College? Just came out today. How can that --

PATRICK: Just name I.D. Just name I.D., Laura. And he's just now being exposed. And I don't like to be critical and call someone names, but when you say something so idiotic that he's talking about of tearing down the fences, letting people roam, they are in slavery, we need to force people. He said in Virginia especially -- I guess he hates Virginia -- in Virginia especially we need them to go to communities face-to-face, eyeball-to- eyeball to work out these problems. We don't have problems in America. We have gone so far from where we were in the 50s and the 60s and the 70s in this country. And are there race issues? Of course there are, but we've gone so far, except the Democrats like Beto want to pull us back.

INGRAHAM: Now, Dan, when you said light in the loafers, you just meant not consequential, correct?

PATRICK: Yes, yes.

INGRAHAM: You didn't mean any pejorative?

PATRICK: No, no, no, no. What I meant, to me, he flaps his arms a lot.

INGRAHAM: People might think something else.

PATRICK: No, no, no. I meant light in the loafers -- he's just a lightweight.

INGRAHAM: Like flying up. Lightweight, I got it, I got it.

PATRICK: Yes, he's flying up.

And by the way, I have a little tip for you. I understand that tomorrow morning the other Castro brother is going to announce that he's not running against John Cornyn for the Texas seat. That's what I hear tonight.

INGRAHAM: Interesting, Dan.

PATRICK: So it looks it will just be -- yes, just a little tip for you.

INGRAHAM: Very interesting. We got the breaking news from Dan. Dan, thanks so much.

Hope, amid darkness -- my final thoughts when we come back.

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INGRAHAM: Watching the coverage this weekend of the horrific synagogue shooting in California, it got me thinking about hope in the midst of all this darkness. An Iraq War vet fearlessly rushed the shooter, chasing him out of the synagogue to the parking lot where an off-duty Border Patrol agent shot the gunman's car. Moments before that, Lori Gilbert, her final act on this earth was blocking her friend and rabbi from the shooter.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To see Lori laying on the floor unconscious, and her dear husband, Dr. Howard Kaye, who is like a brother to me, is trying to resuscitate her. And he faints, and he's laying there on the floor next to his wife. And then their daughter Hannah comes up screaming, daddy and mommy, what's going on? It's the most heartwrenching site I could've seen.

Lori took the bullet for all of us. She died to protect all of us.

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INGRAHAM: Now, one person died in the attack, three were injured. But had these brave men and women not engaged the shooter, imagine how much worse this tragedy could have been.

And during the Easter Sunday Sri Lankan bombings, we talked about earlier, Ramesh Raju didn't get the coverage he deserved. This father and husband noticed an unfamiliar man with a backpack trying to enter the Zion Church where he and his family worshiped. He questioned the man and blocked him from entering. Inside the backpack was a bomb. Ramesh died on the spot when the terrorist detonated himself. But he saved many, many lives.

While the viciousness of 2020 has already alive arrived, remember that each of us has a responsibility to be one of those brave ones if the time comes. But in the meantime, stand for what's right. Take action, and even sacrifice yourself, ourselves, when necessary. These men and women furnish us with the most important examples of what true courage, true heroism means, and why our Second Amendment here in the United States is so precious.

God bless all the victims of these tragedies. May we never forget the witness of those willing to temper evil with hope and put themselves in the way of danger for the sake of others. That's a true sacrifice.

We'll be right back.

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INGRAHAM: All right, I have a closing question. Why does every Democrat candidate feel the need to kiss Reverend Al Sharpton's ring? Today it was South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg's turn. And I suppose he was willing to ignore all the other horrible things that Sharpton has been responsible for.

Look at them. Look at the people pressing their nose against the glass. This was -- this is odd. OK.

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