'Hannity' Investigation: Radical Muslims on the March
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," June 20, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." Tonight, we are investigating the dangerous trend of radical Muslims on the march around the globe. For the entire hour, we're going to be joined by Middle East and military experts, as well as pundits from both sides of the aisle.
Now, before we bring them in, here are a few disturbing examples of what we are talking about. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER, JUNE 17: Iraq's biggest oil refinery has been shut down over security concerns, as Islamic militants continue to capture new territory. The extremists have also posted more videos on line showing gruesome acts of violence.
HANNITY, MAY 8: The U.S., the U.K. and France are all joining the effort to search for the nearly 300 girls who were kidnapped from a Nigerian school by the Islamic terror group Boko Haram. Now, this comes after the leader of that organization threatened to sell the girls into slavery. In addition to the kidnapping, the same extremists attacked a northeastern Nigerian town yesterday, leaving at least 100 dead. Fifty bodies have been recovered thus far.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER, JUNE 16: At the Breeze View Hotel in Mpeketoni, where football fans had gathered to cheer on the World Cup Sunday night, eyewitnesses told us about 50 men walked in and opened fire. They didn't stop there. This small coastal town was under assault for hours, homes and hotels torched, people shot and hacked to death.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER, SEPT. 23, 2013: Kenyan officials call the attack an act of terrorism, the al Qaeda-linked extremist group al Shabaab reportedly claiming responsibility. Witnesses say the terrorists were on a mission to kill non-Muslims, ordering shoppers to speak Arabic or recite a verse from the Quran in order to save their lives.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE, FEB. 11: According to the Communion of Churches in Indonesia, at least 430 churches have been attacked, closed down or burnt down since 2004.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}On the 27th of January, 2013, his church was attacked again, and he was beaten. Two days later, Pastor Bernhard, not his attackers, was sentenced to three months in prison for running an unregistered church.
GREG PALKOT, FOX NEWS REPORTER, MAY 22, 2013: It was, in fact, a brutal terror attack in London, in daylight.
Eyewitnesses say the victim was attacked (sic) to death by the attackers using knives and a hatchet, and then while the victim was left lying on the street, as you noted, Neil, that one of the attackers pronounced Islamist political slogans, including, it is said, "Allah akbar." (sic)
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HANNITY: All right, and we bring in our studio audience for reaction tonight. Hi. Welcome, everybody. Good to see you.
Everybody see the video of ISIS slaughtering, even in front of children, in the name of religion. We saw that, right? We see ISIS on the march. We see what's happening in Iraq. We've all witnessed now the rise of radicalism in Iraq.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}How many of you saw in Kenya the 48 bodies stacked on top of each other? All see that video? OK. How many of you saw what happened? And we're now told the former Nigerian president said that it's unlikely we'll get those girls back, those school girls. Everybody aware of that? All in the name of radical Islam, right?
Then we've got in Afghanistan, what, 11 men, fingers chopped off. They dared to vote in the general election. That just happened recently. Indonesia, you heard about the report, 430 churches burned.
Let me -- let me start with Carl Higbie and Jonathan Gilliam, both of you former Navy SEALs. Both of you have fought on the ground. Are we seeing the rise of radical Islam in a way that's worse than what we saw after 9/11 and what led up to 9/11?
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}CARL HIGBIE, FORMER NAVY SEAL: Absolutely. What happened in 9/11 was a build-up of a long time, but now we've gone into those countries, we've made even more people angry by fighting the war on their terms, and you know, wishy-washy policies between two presidencies. I think we're going to see an even steeper rise in violence because of it.
JONATHAN GILLIAM, UNITED STATES CONTINUED SERVICE FOUNDER CEO: I think -- we call it radical. The reality is, we should start calling it for what it is. It's not necessarily terrorism. It's not necessarily radical. It is a global movement called the caliphate. And what you see when we go over and we fight these little skirmishes and we occupy bases and leave, we create a vacuum, and we basically do the dirty work for these really, really bad people, who want to go and change the way, the face of the globe.
HANNITY: That's what -- that's what -- it's interesting. General Petraeus said this week about, you know, we can't become the air force for one side over the other in the Shia-Sunni battle that's been ongoing for...
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}GILLIAM: But where we've created the vacuum, we now have to go back in and SEAL that vacuum.
HANNITY: Mike Ghouse, welcome. I'm glad you're feeling better. You weren't feeling well for a while. Welcome back to the debate. It's good to have you. You like to always say when you're on the program you are a moderate Muslim.
MIKE GHOUSE, AMERICA TOGETHER FOUNDATION: Yes, I am.
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GHOUSE: Well, they're not loud enough. We need to gather momentum. Shows like yours have given voices to modern Muslims like me, and it is good. And we need to gather up momentum, get more Muslims to start speaking, to let those radicals know that they are -- we don't care about them. There are very few, and there is no encouragement for them, and they shouldn't do what they are doing.
HANNITY: But your voice to me is unique. I don't think -- Judith Miller, you're shaking your head no.
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HANNITY: You hear a lot of moderate Muslim voices speaking out against radicalism and terrorism and the hijacking of religion? Because the world I live in, I see a lot of people that are afraid they're going to be labeled an apostate, which means that they would be subject to death, right, under Islam?
MILLER: I think that is the problem. It is the fear that so many Muslims who are moderate, who do agree with what you're saying and what Brigitte's saying and what others are saying, the fear they have of speaking out, of the reaction of their own community. Until we get and win that battle inside -- and only they can win it -- we're going to go on creating the impression that the Islamists, the jihadists are the majority, and they are not.
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BRIGITTE GABRIEL, ACT FOR AMERICA: Not necessarily because if the majority are peaceful-loving Muslims, then what do they have to worry about in their own community? Look at the Muslims in the United States. If there was ever a group of people who are protected under our Constitution to speak freely and be protected -- and supposedly, the majority of them are moderate -- how come they are not bonding together, and if any radical hurt any of them when they speak up in defense of the United States, the radicals should be...
HANNITY: So you're saying Mike is an anomaly.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}GABRIEL: ... squashed (ph), not the moderates!
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HANNITY: Mike Ghouse, you've debated him many times on my show. Is he an anomaly?
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}GABRIEL: Mike -- there are people like Mike, but where are the funders of people like Mike? Where is the funding? You're going to tell me there's not one mega-millionaire from Saudi Arabia or the Islamic world that can give Mike $5 million and say, You know what? I believe in your moderate message. I want to help you build a grass roots organization...
HANNITY: Where does CAIR get its funding?
GABRIEL: Exactly! CAIR get its funding from the Middle East!
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}GHOUSE: Well, CAIR is not getting -- I think they used to get the funding from the Middle East, but they're not. But the moderate Muslims are gaining momentum. There are more and more people -- I'm in the community, Muslim community. There is a lot of support for what I am doing. There are many...
HANNITY: Does the Muslim community support me? Because I've been very outspoken against radicalism and Sharia and the treatment of women under Sharia. Are they -- when you talk to people, they love the show.
GHOUSE: Absolutely. Absolutely. Those Muslims, there are many. I have (INAUDIBLE) and I told them very clearly what you said earlier, that you distinguish between radical Muslims and Muslims and Islam.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}HANNITY: But I'm afraid that the more moderate Muslims are afraid to speak out, and I think the numbers of -- that have been radicalized are far greater numbers than we see, which is why we're watching. They're holding (ph) -- we're doing this special because this, to me -- you know, when you see people laid out, as we saw this week, and slaughtered, cold blood murder, or the people, you know, that we saw, the 48 people in Kenya that were slaughtered in cold blood because they didn't give the right answer, that, to me, is the equivalent of a modern day Nazi!
Pam Geller.
PAM GELLER, ATLASSHRUGS: Well, I think that Mr. Ghouse lives in his own private Islam. He doesn't have a theological leg to stand on. We saw not just in Kenya, but we saw in the Westgate Mall and we saw in Iraq that the jihadists were separating who they would slaughter and who they wouldn't. They were separating the Muslims from the non-Muslims.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}Long-time readers of my Web site, Atlasshrugs, are not surprised by these developments. This was expected. Obama has been aiding a jihadist agenda, came out yesterday under a Freedom of Information Act, the close ties that Obama had with Libya, Muslim Brotherhood, who were involved in the attack on our embassy. That's the real smoking gun, that Christopher Stevens had met with the Libyan Muslim Brotherhood in July, the same people that were involved in the Benghazi murder.
The idea that there are moderates -- there are moderate Muslims that secretly agree. According to so many worldwide and national polls, there are many that support jihad.
HANNITY: Let me bring up a political question, and I'll throw it to my good friend, Tamara Holder. Hi, Tamara.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}TAMARA HOLDER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Hi, Sean.
HANNITY: Because under this president, it seems very clear. He recently this week let out radicals in Afghani prisons. We know that he -- we had the Bergdahl swap, for example, five of the most hardened criminals, terrorists, detainees.
Why would the president do this? Why would the president sit back, pull out of Iraq, and city after city, where so many Americans shed their blood for -- to help save Iraq and turn Iraq around into an ally of the United States -- one by one, those cities are falling.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}HOLDER: Right. The reason why the president did that was because we had an American soldier who was held captive, and he made an exchange, which, of course, you would never agree with because nothing the president does, you would agree with.
HANNITY: Not true.
HOLDER: But you, ma'am, I think are the most dangerous person in society...
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}HANNITY: Which ma'am?
HOLDER: With the Heritage Foundation.
HANNITY: No, she's not -- Brigitte -- she's with Act for America.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}HOLDER: With Act. Act. I'm sorry.
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HOLDER: With Act. I think that you are the most dangerous person because to say things like moderate Muslims supposedly are not terrorists, or supposedly are not dangerous -- the majority of Muslims in this country and in this world are safe, loving people who want peace and who want to protect those -- those Nigerian girls were Muslim, by the way, as well. It wasn't just Boko Haram.
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HOLDER: ... those Nigerian girls.
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CHERI JACOBUS, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: We're not hearing from the moderates. Regular Americans, laypeople think that they have a negative opinion of the Muslim people because we are only hearing about the murderers. We're only hearing about the terrorists. We don't hear from the moderates because they're afraid to speak out. So you -- to jump on...
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JACOBUS: To jump on --
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HANNITY: One at a time. Let Brigitte respond because you attacked her.
GABRIEL: The defense between me and you is I am fluent in the Arabic language, and I walk into the mosques in this country and I understand what they say. I walk into Arabic grocery stores in this country, in New Jersey, in New York...
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HOLDER: ... two weeks, ma'am!
GABRIEL: I am...
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HOLDER: I spent a lot of time in a Muslim country. So don't tell me that I don't understand!
GABRIEL: My mother (INAUDIBLE) Arabic! I know what they're saying! I know how the society operates!
HOLDER: So are you saying that the majority of Muslims are terrorists?
GABRIEL: I'm not saying that the majority of Muslims...
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HANNITY: Let he answer!
GABRIEL: I'm not saying the majority of Muslims are terrorists. And I did not say that! There are moderate Muslims. The terrorists are only 15 to 25 percent.
GHOUSE: Less than that.
GABRIEL: No, it's not less than that.
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GABRIEL: The world events shows you the facts. The facts speak louder than words!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. Sean? Sean?...
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GABRIEL: There are 75 percent moderate Muslims in the world. The moderate Muslims...
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HANNITY: Is she a danger by calling out radicalism, or is it the people that would strap bomb on their own children by the name of jihad and holy war...
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HOLDER: Don't twist my words, Sean!
HANNITY: Excuse me! And the promise of 72 virgins! Who's more dangerous?
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GABRIEL: You twisted my words!
HOLDER: Radical Islamists are very dangerous. They are just as dangerous as a person who spews hate and tries to change a message...
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HOLDER: ... the majority of moderate Muslims are somehow...
HANNITY: All right, let me -- let me...
HOLDER: ... terrorists.
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GABRIEL: I didn't say the majority of Muslim moderates were!
JAMIE GLAZOV, EDITOR, FRONTPAGEMAG.COM: You know what's so dangerous about this? You're a very dangerous person because these are heroes standing up for the victims of Islam! And let me tell you, I study how sociopaths behave, how psychopaths behave. We see this in the unholy alliance right now with the left and Islam.
What they do is when the -- a vicious ideology, totalitarian ideology, attacks us and we're victims, what -- what -- what the -- what these people do is they make the perpetrator the victim and the victim the perpetrator!
So heroes like Pamela Geller that made a memorial grove for Axa Parvis (ph), a 16-year-old Muslim girl -- she stood up for the memory of a murdered honor killing victim and made a memorial grove for her in Jerusalem Park. And thank you that you did that, Pamela. And she's called an Islamophobe! She's called a hater!
So what's happening here is these are the heroes standing up for the victims of Islam, but what we have is an unholy alliance between the left and Islam, and they're making the heroes the perpetrators.
HOLDER: No, no, no, no!
HANNITY: Guys...
GLAZOV: And you're dangerous...
HOLDER: You're wrong.
GLAZOV: You're dangerous by shutting us up about talking the evil that we face!
HANNITY: We've got to...
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HANNITY: We've got to take a break.
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