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This is a rush transcript from "Watters' World," January 26, 2019. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
JESSE WATTERS, HOST: Welcome to "Watters' World. I'm Jessie Watters. The facts about Nathan Phillips. That's the subject of tonight's "Watters' Words."
By now everybody's heard the story of the Covington boys and by the way, in a minute, we're going to have an exclusive sit down with one of the members of the community that started the whole thing, the Black Hebrew Israelites, but the media has turned a blind eye to the Native American activist. His hatred his lies and his background are going to be examined right now.
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Phillips first told the "Washington Post" and other outlets that he was surrounded and harassed by the Covington boys. He told the "Detroit Free Press," the boys were quote, "attacking these four black individuals."
He continued quote, "These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey." Phillips called it racism and the quote "hatred in their faces" resembled quote, "lynchings that were done in America."
He added that the students were chanting "Build the wall," and once the complete video was released, everything Phillips said turned out to be a lie. It was Phillips who approached the boys and banged his drum in their face. Nobody was about to attack the black activist and nobody was chanting "Build the wall." Phillips was never trying to diffuse the situation as he claimed.
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It actually looks like Phillips and his crew were the aggressors with the students.
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NATHAN PHILLIPS, ACTIVIST: White people go back to Europe where you came from. This is not your land. No it's not. You have been here two or three generations compared to us who have been here millions of [bleep] years. So get the [bleep] out of my face with that [bleep].
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Your being white, your being white. You're being a white man about it because that's all you need to to, all you got to.
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WATTERS: After the confrontation with the boys, what did Phillips do? He attempted to disrupt mass at Washington D.C.'s national shrine. Phillips and about 20 demonstrators tried to force themselves into evening mass, bang their drums and totally disrupt the service.
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Security called the situation quote, "tense" and had to blockade Phillips and his crew from disturbing the congregation.
Phillips has a history of racially charged confrontations. Four years ago, the Native American told a very similar story claiming that white students in Michigan disrespected him and threw a beer can at him. Phillips went to the police, but no evidence turned up to support his claim.
Phillips has a rap sheet which includes assault charges, alcohol related charges and negligent driving charges. He even escaped from jail in Nebraska. There's been a lot of confusion over Nathan Philip's military service in the Vietnam era.
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Now, I respect his service, but his dishonesty created that confusion. Phillips claimed he served in Vietnam and was the victim of ugly protests upon returning.
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PHILLIPS: I'm a Vietnam vet and I served in the Marine Corps '72 to '76. I got honorably discharged and one of the boxes in there - it shows if it was peace time or what my box is, is that I was in theater. I don't talk much about my Vietnam times.
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When I come home, those times, I got spit on, actually spit on and called a baby killer.
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WATTERS: Now here are the facts. The Marine say Phillips was a reservist from 1972 to 1976, worked on refrigerators States side, never deployed and never served in Vietnam.
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Now, there are other reports that say Phillips went AWOL several times that we haven't been able to confirm those. NBC News asked him to clarify his service record.
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PHILLIPS: What I've always said is I've never stepped foot in South Vietnam, and that's - I don't know how clear - how much clearer can that be?
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WATTERS: It could have been a lot clear there, Nathan. There's a phrase for that too. It's called Stolen Valor. Nathan Phillips is a lying provocateur with the victimization fetish, yet, he was the source for all of these mainstream media outlets who bought his narrative without asking any questions and used it to smear innocent high school students.
And imagine all the other shady sources the media has used to attack innocent conservatives with fake news.
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Turning now to the group that instigated the Covington incident - the Black Hebrew Israelites. Here they are in Washington, D.C. yelling at the high school students.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's "Make America Great Again." A bunch of child molesting [bleep].
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Look at all of these dusty [bleep] crackers with that racist garbage on.
That's right.
A bunch of incent babies.
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The biggest terrorist on the face of this Earth is the pale face man, woman and child.
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WATTERS: The Black Hebrew Israelites are described as a Black Nationalist hate group with militant overtones. They believe blacks are the true descendants of the Biblical Israelites and many of their sects or anti-white. Many here on the East Coast, pretty familiar with the group who dress up in robes and preach their teachings on street corners.
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I happened to catch up with them in Philly about two years ago.
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WATTERS: President Trump, how are you feeling about it?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do I feel about President Trump? I think the white people put him off, put Trump in office and that was the man that they want to do - to rule over their people, but I think black people, Hispanics and Native Americans have a king that they need to obey and this is what my powers said, read - that's five and twenty nine.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chapter 5 and 29, "Then Peter and all the apostles then he said, we are to obey God rather than men."
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WATTERS: Joining me now, Kathriel Ben Yisraeil, a former teacher at Kol Sharif B'nai Nas Israel. I don't think I got the pronunciation exactly correct, but I did my best.
Now, you heard the sound coming from people in your organization yelling at these high school students. Do you think that was appropriate?
KATHRIEL BEN YISRAEL, HEBREW ISRAELITE: Well, first of all, that organization that you speak of, is not representative of the whole nation of Israel. We're descendants by sea, by heritage of these people called Israel.
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WATTERS: So you condemn these people that were hurling that kind of hateful language at the students?
BEN YISRAEL: Well, I don't know if was quite hateful --
WATTERS: It wasn't quite hateful. Crackers, incest babies, child molesters. What do you consider that? Love?
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BEN YISRAEL: Well, they have a way in style that they bring their message to the people.
WATTERS: That's - what's that message though? That's a hateful message.
BEN YISRAEL: That's their style.
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WATTERS: That's their style and it's pretty hateful. Come on, you're a smart man.
BEN YISRAEL: I'm not hateful. I'm an Israelite, but I am not hateful.
WATTERS: Okay, well that was pretty hateful. I think you would agree that was hateful language.
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BEN YISRAEL: There's a lot of hate in America that's not really initiated by - which you want to say is like Israelite groups like that.
WATTERS: But you wouldn't agree with me that that was hateful language directed at the Covington boys by this Black Israelite group?
BEN YISRAEL: I don't know what initiated that. What the confrontation bring forth --
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WATTERS: Okay, listen, I haven't seen all of the video, I have just seen what was said to the Covington boys. We didn't see anything coming from the other side directed at the Black Israelites.
BEN YISRAEL: Right. So it is basically slanted. We don't know why they responded in a way they did. You're just giving me one side of the story, so --
WATTERS: Okay, is it okay to disparage other ethnicities in the Black Israelite group?
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BEN YISRAEL: Well, you keep calling it a group. Every nation has --
WATTERS: Religion.
BEN YISRAEL: It's not a religion. This is nationality.
WATTERS: Okay.
BEN YISRAEL: It's ethnicity.
WATTERS: Is your nationality okay with disparaging other racial groups?
BEN YISRAEL: No, not at all.
WATTERS: Okay, that's good. I'm glad - I'm glad you said that.
BEN YISRAEL: Yes.
WATTERS: Is there a problem right now with the black Israelites? Are they angry at something specific? What's the beef?
BEN YISRAEL: Well from our perspective, we've been in captivity for 400 years. We've been denied our heritage, our land, what rightfully belongs to us as a people. We have been here for 400 years. We've had a miseducation in regards to what belongs to us naturally or ethnically as services to this country.
WATTERS: So what belongs to you specifically?
BEN YISRAEL: Specifically what belongs to us is the land.
WATTERS: In America?
BEN YISRAEL: No.
WATTERS: In Israel?
BEN YISRAEL: Absolutely.
WATTERS: Okay, so you here in America and you want the land in Israel to be given back to you?
BEN YISRAEL: Absolutely.
WATTERS: Because you believe it's rightfully yours.
BEN YISRAEL: Absolutely.
WATTERS: Okay, so you probably have to fight with the Palestinians over that.
BEN YISRAEL: Well, it's a fight --
WATTERS: Because they think it's there's, too.
BEN YISRAEL: So a lot of people think it's theirs, but prophecy says the children of Israel will return to their land from the scattered places that we've been scattered.
WATTERS: Okay, your group has been called a hate group.
BEN YISRAEL: Well, you keep saying "my group." The children of Israel came over here in slave ships and we're in churches, we are in mosques, we're in various religious doctrines that have been perpetrated on us as a captive slave body of people, and this process of awakening to know who we are, our roots are has taken on many factions and basically, they've been formulating some religious concepts where ethnically, nationally, we are descendants by sea, by heritage, by birth.
WATTERS: Okay.
BEN YISRAEL: Of the Nation of Israel.
WATTERS: All right, so in general, not talking about Covington right now, but in general, do you have a problem with white Americans wearing "Make America Great Again" hats?
BEN YISRAEL: Not at all.
WATTERS: Not at all.
BEN YISRAEL: Well that incident highlighted what the problem is with America today, because you have Native Americans who are speaking out in regards to what would transpire with them and what transpired with them, they were pushed on reservations, they lost their lands, then you have the Israelite group who we were - we're here by slavery forced against our will and given doctrines that don't even belong to us and we've lost everything and then you have the Christian school that was there and they have a right to speak as well.
WATTERS: Okay, I do think some of your members are giving you guys a bad name. Let's just watch some just recordings of some of the language that you guys have been using. Roll the tape.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. I don't want to go into slavery for a slave of the so called black, Hispanics and Native Americans. That's what the Bible say, all right, so you have to sit up here and listen. You all could take it as a joke, but guess what, all the atrocities that was done to our people, it's going to be done to you times to you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wait. That is so uncalled --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: [Bleep]. Get out of here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's right.
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WATTERS: All right, so that's pretty aggressive rhetorically and physically. We saw the woman on the ground there. This is representative of that nationality. Anytime anybody hears about the Black Israelites, that's what they think of.
Now, I know you're saying that, you know, they don't speak for everybody, but they actually do because that's all everybody sees.
BEN YISRAEL: Well, you could say that about the Klu Klux Klan and neo Nazis and skinheads as well, does that represent you?
WATTERS: Do you believe it does?
BEN YISRAEL: Well, not really. Just like you shouldn't believe what they're saying represents all Israelites.
WATTERS: So you would compare that sect that has been, you know, pretty aggressive with the language and physically, you would compare them to the Klan.
BEN YISRAEL: No, not at all.
WATTERS: No.
BEN YISRAEL: Not at all.
WATTERS: So you don't believe that Black Israelites are superior to any other group? You think everybody is equal?
BEN YISRAEL: Absolutely.
WATTERS: Okay.
BEN YISRAEL: We're all nations on the Earth.
WATTERS: Okay.
BEN YISRAEL: We made our mistakes and we paid for it and every other nation is going to do the same thing if you become immoral and corrupt and decay, there is a price to pay.
WATTERS: Lastly, what do you think about this - Nathan Phillips, this Indian activist who was banging the drum?
BEN YISRAEL: I think he has a right to speak his mind and stand up for his people, his land, his language, this culture has been taken away violently and they have every right like everybody else that's here to speak their minds.
WATTERS: Okay, I mean, do you think that the, you know the son should pay for the sins of the father?
BEN YISRAEL: Ah yes.
WATTERS: Okay. So if my father you know, shot someone, I should pay the price?
BEN YISRAEL: If he's still in a crime family, yes.
WATTERS: Okay. What about someone's great, great, great, great, great grandfather who shot an Indian and who shot at him with a bow and arrow, do you think they should pay the price? The great, great, great, great, great, great grandson?
BEN YISRAEL: If that people is being denied what rightfully belongs to them, then something has to be done.
WATTERS: All right. Well, we disagree on that. Thank you very much. I appreciate you coming in.
BEN YISRAEL: No problem.
WATTERS: All right. All right here with more, Robert Barnes, an attorney representing several students and families from Covington Christian High School. All right, Mr. Barnes, there has been some really, really horrible things said about these boys from Covington. Have you issued any warning to these people that have been trafficking and a lot of this slanderous activity on the internet?
ROBERT BARNES, ATTORNEY FOR COVINGTON FAMILIES: Yes, to a wide range of people. So Maggie Haberman was one of the first people who was calling for the kids' expulsion.
WATTERS: The "New York Times" reporter.
BARNES: Yes, the lead "New York Times" reporter making false statements about these kids, calling for punitive action against these kids whom she's never met, who are private citizens based on an event she didn't even witness.
It should - it really tells you something about the standard of the "New York Times" that something like that could happen, but also others. Congresswoman Omar made false statements about these kids. We requested that she retract it or we would sue her. Well, an n hour later, she did retract it to her credit, but others have not retracted.
So some have -- Kathy Griffin has.
WATTERS: Oh, you got Kathy Griffin to retract.
BARNES: Jake Tapper has, Meghan McCain has.
WATTERS: That's a big retraction. She oftentimes does not retract. I see someone - Reza Aslan, this guy has appeared on "The Daily Show" on CNN a lot. Here's what he said. He said, "Honest question, have you ever seen a more punishable face than these kids?" He has not retracted that.
BARNES: That's correct. And he's going to get sued next week.
WATTERS: Wow.
BARNES: Similarly Matthew Dowd, there's been a request that he retract, he's an ABC commentator, pretends to be a Republican commentator. He's made false statements about these kids, refuse to retract it and he did it interspersing it with statements about how we should love each other consistent with the Christian tradition. If he doesn't retract, he's going to get sued.
Michael Rapaport did a crude rap - sort of image against these kids. He has refused to retract. He's a famous Hollywood actor that's on a Netflix show about how we should avoid childhood bullying of kids and here, he is bullying kids.
WATTERS: That's ironic.
BARNES: So several of the "New York Daily News" put a false headline out that various kids from the school had appeared in blackface, totally false. They've been in a blackout, which is very common throughout the country in high school basketball games.
WATTERS: Are you going to go after the "New York Daily News" for that?
BARNES: They are going to get sued.
WATTERS: Oh, they're going to get sued.
BARNES: Yes, the "New York Daily News" will be sued.
WATTERS: So everyone is getting sued, it seems like. Now from my limited understanding of the law, I did not going to law school. It's a very high bar, the slander and the libel. I mean, you have to show malicious intent and knowingly that something is wrong and defamatory and it doesn't always work in court. Are you confident that you're going to be able to secure judgments?
BARNES: Yes, because in this case, there's a unique exception. So when there's a defamation and libel of private citizens, particularly minors, then the legal standard goes way down, so you no longer have to prove actual malice or malevolent intent. All you have to prove is that a false statement was made or in Kentucky, the law is even broader, an unflattering impression given and put a person's reputation in a false light and otherwise, and just let it be negligent for them to do so. That's why the whole family gave everybody 48 hours to correct all of these statements.
If they still refuse to do so, it's clearly negligent for them to keep false statements and they will be subject to --
WATTERS: Oh, you know what strikes me is amazing. Remember the Parkland shooter situation where everybody was going after the students and people immediately said, "You cannot go after students. You cannot say anything about students. They're minors."
Yet, you had the entire mainstream media establishment and celebrities descend on these high school students, smearing them, calling them racist, digging into their backgrounds, digging into the school and no one said anything. Huge double standard. It seems like all minors should be off limits.
You've spoken to these kids. I know you're in regular discussion. What are their spirits like? Because I know going forward, I mean, they could have potential problems with college admissions with their resumes. You know, their online profiles are permanently damaged as a result of this. How are they doing?
BARNES: It's been brutal. They've described it as complete hell. They've described it as one of the most difficult weeks they've ever lived in their lives. These are kids who - they've been told they can't use social media. They're being subject to internal investigations to cover up for the failure of other people to properly identify this in the school authority system.
So they've been through one of the most difficult, you know, they went to DC to participate to one of our greatest political traditions, expressing their political viewpoint. And instead, they get ambushed by lefty agitator provocateur advocates who then lie about them. But that wasn't the worst part. The worst part was some of the most institutionally powerful people in the establishment press, lied and defamed them and it could destroy their careers. It could destroy their reputations. It could destroy their futures and it's made their current life a living hell.
WATTERS: Well, I'm glad there's some accountability because if there's no accountability, it's going to continue to happen. Robert, thanks very much and keep us posted on the lawsuits. I mean, if you don't even win, at least you're going to grind them to dust in legal fees. I appreciate you coming.
BARNES: Yes, the goal is to send a message that they'll remember.
WATTERS: Exactly. Robert, thank you very much.
BARNES: Thank you.
WATTERS: All right up next, an Alyssa Milano investigation. "Watters' World" has been looking into it. We'll tell you the latest. What is going on with Alyssa?
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WATTERS: Everybody my age at least remembers Samantha from "Who's the Boss."
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TONY DANZA, AMERICAN ACTOR: Why are you going like this?
ALYSSA MILANO, AMERICAN ACTRESS: It's a new dance. Yes, everyone is doing it. Yes, and you can do it on the other side, too.
DANZA: Oh, yes, sure you do. Look. Samantha, that's a hickey.
MILANO: Whoa. How did that get there?
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WATTERS: We all watched Alyssa Milano grow up, as the actress moved on to the hit show, "Charmed." She was a big hit over there. But recently, she has gone hard left.
The actress made a big splash at the Kavanaugh hearing sitting right behind Judge Kavanaugh and at one point, security had to come over and talk to her. She's been militant on Twitter, attacking the President for instance, quote, "You teargassed women and children, A-wipe." And on Thanksgiving weekend, "You piece of S blank- hole mother effing evil creature person."
And this week, she drew fire after she compared the Covington kids to the Klan. Ready? "The red MAGA hat is the new white hood without white boys being able to empathize with other people. Humanity will continue to destroy itself. #FirstThoughtsWhenIWakeUp."
Here to respond, Communications Director for Turning Point USA, Candace Owens. Well, Candace, you're a little younger than I am, I hate to admit it, but I have to. I love the Samantha on "Who's the Boss." I think I might even had a crush on her. It was so long ago. I don't even remember.
But just her trajectory over the last - I don't know, three to four to five years, she has just gone so hardcore left, almost unrecognizable to the dear Samantha she used to play on television. What happened to Alyssa Milano?
CANDACE OWENS, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, TURNING POINT USA: Well, first and foremost, I am too young, so I don't remember the dear Samantha that you remember.
WATTERS: Ouch, ouch.
OWENS: I only know this hard left insane person that tweets things that are ultimately, you could laugh at, but it's also really offensive. You aren't talking about cultural appropriation.
Imagine being a white woman who's had no experience with the KKK, no history of it in her family. My grandfather is still breathing, so when somebody wants to talk about the KKK, those stories growing up in my household, they're very real. They used to shoot bullets inside of his home, you know, I'm a black American.
For her, it's nothing. It's just a means for her to shout into the Twitter echo chamber and to get feedback and try to get power, which is really what the left is all about now. They use minority experiences to garner power and attention for themselves. And I called her out for that this week on Twitter and she blocked me.
WATTERS: She blocked you?
OWENS: Go figure.
WATTERS: So --
OWENS: Instantly.
WATTERS: What did you say to her? When you called her out, what did you say to her? Because what is she? Is she emotional? Is she not used to criticism?
OWENS: Well, what I said is - I was being funny, and I said that the [bleep] hat is the new KKK hood. And then I said, "Pause. Just kidding. I wanted to try being as incomprehensibly stupid as Alyssa Milano," and it got 20,000 retweets and she blocked me, but this is funny because this is a woman who says that she champions minority voices and yet, when a minority voice steps up and says they disagree with her, she instantly blocks it.
What does that mean? Everything she does is self-serving. She doesn't care about minorities. She doesn't care about minority voices. She cares about power and attention for herself, like most leftists do.
WATTERS: Well, I don't even know if you're allowed to say the "P" word, maybe you can since you're a woman, but we'll have to --
OWENS: That's what they call them.
WATTERS: We'll have to find out. I guess, you're right. Okay. She's you know, she's got all these donations, she's giving to all Democrats -- Bernie Obama, Andrew Gillum -- I mean, who knows. It looks like she's going to have to be deleting a lot more tweets soon because after that guy gets a hold of her that we just heard suing everybody over the Covington story, she better be careful unless she wants to face a lawsuit.
Another person you tangle with all the time on Twitter, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, here she is talking about the world ending. Watch this.
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REP. ALEXANDRA OCASIO-CORTEZ, D-N.Y.: Millennials and people you know, Gen Z and all of these folks that come after us are looking up and we're like, "The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change." And your biggest issue is - your biggest issue is how are we going to pay for it? And like this is the war. This is our World War II.
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WATTERS: Wow. So it's over in 12 years, so I might as well just go on vacation, Candace.
OWENS: I don't know what I'm doing here. I've got 12 years left and I'm sitting here on "Watters's World." I need to go live my best life. What am I doing here right now?
WATTERS: I think you're living your best life.
OWENS: Look, AOC --
WATTERS: That's my opinion. Go ahead.
OWENS: All right, this is what actually what I want to do the rest of my life is talk to Jesse Watters, but - so listen, AOC, I actually in a weird way, I like her because she does serve the GOP. She does serve Republican side and she does serve conservatives because she's effectively splintering of a Democratic Party.
I always say there's two wings of the Democrat Party; one is people that are completely ignorant like her. They don't know mathematics. They don't know economics. They don't know World History. They don't know world present, forget history. She doesn't even know what's going on in Venezuela today.
But then the other side, it's just like the sheer evil people like Nancy Pelosi and the Chuck Schumer's who knows exactly what they're doing and they know that they're lying to people.
WATTERS: You forgot one last one.
OWENS: So I think she helps us.
WATTERS: You forgot the chicken wing. That's a very critical wing in the Democratic Party. Candace, I've got to run. I've got to run. I'm getting old, you know, and the world's about to end, so I've got to see you later. Thank you very much.
OWENS: Bye, Jesse.
WATTERS: All right. Up next, new footage of illegals crossing the border still not enough to convince Democrats. The shutdown is over and later, an emotional support alligator swims into "Watters' World."
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BRYAN LLENAS, NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Live from "America's News Headquarters," I'm Bryan Llenas. Tragedy in Brazil after a dam collapsed Friday leaves at least 40 people dead. At least 300 people remain missing and authorities fear the death toll will go higher. Rescue workers have been searching by air and digging through several feet of mud for survivors. Mine employees were having lunch Friday afternoon when the dam gave way unleashing a sea of reddish brown mud. It's unknown what caused the collapse.
The US military is investigating why two Russian bombers found their way into North American airspace earlier today. American and Canadian forces were able to scramble and intercept the pair, NORAD says the Russian bombers quote "remained in international airspace." The incident comes as the NATO Secretary General meets with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in Washington. I'm Bryan Llenas, now back to "Watters' World."
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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I am very proud to announce today that we have reached a deal to end the shutdown and reopen the Federal government.
We really have no choice but to build a powerful wall or steel barrier. If we don't get a fair deal from Congress, the government will either shut down on February 15th again, or I will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the Constitution of the United States to address this emergency.
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WATTERS: President Trump announcing Friday a temporary reopening of the Federal government after five weeks of a shutdown. The deal postpones negotiations of his $5.7 billion request for wall funding.
Meanwhile, agents in Arizona apprehended 110 illegals scaling a border fence with a ladder - fences are very good. Here to react, Liberal commentator, Cathy Areu and former intelligence analyst and commentator, Morgan Ortagus.
Okay, Morgan I know the President just delayed this whole thing for a few more weeks. He says he is going to declare a national emergency if he doesn't get the border wall funding he wants. What have we been doing for the last five weeks? It just seems like both sides hurt the American people. They got hurt by not having border wall funding and then they got hurt by not getting paid.
MORGAN ORTAGUS, FORMER INTELLIGENCE ANALYST AND COMMENTATOR: Well, I think that's a fair assessment, but I think what we're looking at now is a three-week continuing resolution and in that continuing resolution, the President is giving the Congress yet another opportunity to get to a deal before he potentially declares a national emergency.
He hasn't said he's going to do that. In fact, a lot of news media came out ahead of time, preempted him saying that that's what he was going to declare, but he's clearly trying to avoid that because I think he knows the legal ramifications, how long it would be in court if he had to go through that.
So I think it's a smart move to continue the negotiations. I mean, at this point, the Democrats are holding everything hostage --
WATTERS: They are.
ORTAGUS: They are willing to see people without paychecks. They voted three times to not have them get paid.
WATTERS: I know, and if you look at the polls everybody says, "Oh the President is getting so hurt by this." I have a poll I want you to look at Cathy, it's a CBS poll, not fake news, right? It says "What do you want Democrats in Congress to do now?" Refuse to fund the wall 43%; pass the budget with wall funding.
So the people wanted the Democrats to fund the wall and reopen the government. It's just everyone is so confused on this issue. Did you think the President looks weak by delaying this three weeks, Cathy?
CATHY AREU, LIBERAL COMMENTATOR: I don't think he looked weak. It just seemed to me that he was making up statistics. Crime, he says is low - lower than ever, but then he says, "We need that wall to make sure that crime remains low." To me, it sounds like he's just confused and it's making the whole world look like we have a dysfunctional government. It's just embarrassing really that the government shut down in the first place.
WATTERS: Well, listen, Cathy, I mean, you know - you've heard stories, I mean, you watch Fox, you're on Fox, you know the stories of illegal immigrants committing crimes here. I mean, that's just a fact. Can I just show you some tape --
AREU: Undocumented --
WATTERS: I'm going to show you some tape.
AREU: Undocumented people.
WATTERS: Yes, undocumented people. Visitors as you would like to call them. I'm going to show you --
AREU: Thanks.
WATTERS: I am going to show you some tape, look at these illegal immigrants or visitors throwing rocks at Border Patrol agents. They have, you know, this river, right, it's a very shallow river. There's just not a lot of room in between there and they have - they have these illegal immigrants hurling rocks at the Border Patrol boat. Why? Why do you guys continue to look at the evidence of the crime and the danger and not change your mind?
AREU: I mean, but you're not saying that undocumented people in this country pay over $11 billion in taxes that more crimes are committed by Native Americans than undocumented people? So for many ...
WATTERS: Native Americans, like American Indians?
AREU: ... rocks that are thrown - no, American, non- immigrants, so the non-immigrants, the people that are here that are documented commit more crimes than undocumented people, but would love to be citizens.
WATTERS: Okay, well, I mean, just because men commit more crimes than women doesn't mean you don't try to prevent women from committing crimes.
I don't understand the analogy. What do you think about all the damage that is being done on the southern border to the women, Morgan? I mean, there's rapes going on, there's human trafficking, smuggling, children are being hurt.
ORTAGUS: Right, so I actually have a new piece out in the "Washington Examiner" that your audience can read on this.
WATTERS: Oh, beautiful plug.
ORTAGUS: Thank you, and what I talked about is what we've done for the past 35 years as it relates to the northern triangle countries. This is Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and how - what measures we could take to sort of prevent this from happening.
We've had a lot of failed policies for 35 years and people right now, the public relations aspect of this is people think that they can come here and then it's going to be the safe journey and they're going to get in it.
WATTERS: Right, it's not a safe journey.
ORTAGUS: It's a moral imperative for us --
WATTERS: Peaceful visitors. Guys, I've got to run. Thank you very much. Still ahead, a man and his emotional support alligator makes a splash into "Watters' World." But next, Diamond and Silk.
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WATTERS: Democratic Congressman Hakeem Jeffries spoke at a Martin Luther King Jr. Day event and took the opportunity to compare our President to the KKK.
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REP. HAKEEM JEFFRIES,D-N.Y.: We have a hater in the White House. The Birther-in-Chief of the Grand Wizard of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
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WATTERS: Diamond and Silk join me now. I'm sure Martin Luther King would have loved that comparison. Right, ladies?
DIAMOND, VIDEOBLOGGER: No, no. And he said, I heard that he was trying to walk back those comments, but he don't need to walk back anything. He needs to take responsibility for his slandering remarks.
SILK, VIDEOBLOGGER: That's right.
DIAMOND: Disparity remarks against the President and the White House. And then what he needs to do is pause and stop acting like he has a selective memory and go back to the time when he was really pushing Hillary Clinton for President, but Hillary Clinton had ties and she said a mentor, a man that was tied to the KKK, even though he was an ex-member, she was tied to him and she said that was her mentor and that she loved him.
SILK: That's right. And when I'm looking at Hakeem Jeffries, we do have a hater in Congress house. That's where he's at. And he is a race baiting hater.
WATTERS: Wow. All right, ladies unleashed. You get Robert Byrd, West Virginia, no one seems to remember him. Okay, Michael Moore was popping off at the mouth talking about building a wall somewhere. Let's hear what he had to say.
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MICHAEL MOORE, AMERICAN FILM MAKER: So if he tries to pull a national emergency, we, the people have to declare a national emergency. We have to non-violently rise up. We have to take to the streets. We have to form - we have to build our own wall, a human wall around the White House, around the White House and peacefully ...
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WATTERS: So it looks like Moore is admitting walls work.
DIAMOND; Well, walls do work, but not human walls. We need a steel barrier and he needs to be at the border. You know, shame on people like Michael Moore and these - what I call these elite liberals, left leaning liberals who don't realize that illegal aliens crossing our borders, killing our citizens, driving down wages cannot be tolerated in this country. It's time to secure our borders. Walls work. Borders work. If walls didn't work, you wouldn't have walls in your homes.
SILK: That's right.
WATTERS: All right, I'm not going to make a wall joke about Michael Moore. I don't want to fat shame him - that would just be beneath me. So I'm going to zip my lip. Lastly, I want to get to Jake Talbot, who's a veteran, he said he was booted out of the gym for a Trump t-shirt. Listen to this.
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JAKE TALBOT, ARMY VETERAN: I just love CDY Fitness here in Troy working out and when I was starting, the owner - well, she came up to me and said that my Trump shirt that I had on was offensive and that I needed to remove it in order to work out there. And it's linked to racism which I freaking hate that word whenever people use it. It's spun on way too loosely, it's 2019, get the hell over it. It's not racism.
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WATTERS: Wow.
DIAMOND: Wow.
SILK: Wow.
DIAMOND: You know, Jesse, okay, but you know what? Okay, well, I find it equally offensive when I see these women walking in the streets with those whoozi on because to me that promotes vulgarity, I mean, it really does, okay? But I don't say anything about that.
Here's the deal, if you don't like the t-shirt that somebody is wearing, then don't you buy it. But don't infringe on anyone's right to wear whatever they want to wear.
SILK: And why are the Democrats running around here acting like dictators? They are acting worse than Hitler? They are Hitler because they are acting like them. Look at it. They want to take away your guns. They want to take away your free speech. They want to tell you what you can and cannot say, who you can and cannot see. They need to stop acting like dictators over here in America.
WATTERS: All right, well, the Hitler comparison might be going a little too far. But you know what? That's why I haven't been working out at the gym. You know, I've been - I was wearing a Trump shirt. That's why I haven't really been hitting the weights. That's my excuse at least. All right, ladies, have a nice weekend.
DIAMOND: Thank you for having us.
SILK: Thank you for having us.
WATTERS: Up next, an emotional support alligator wades into "Watters' World."
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Be very still and do not drop my baby.
WATTERS: Oh God.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don't scream. Under his belly. Relax. Relax. Okay, arms down.
WATTERS: Okay.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Drop him towards you.
WATTERS: Ah.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Look at that.
WATTERS: Okay.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, we're going to take the tape off.
WATTERS: Okay. All right. Yes, I'm good. Okay, I don't feel so good.
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WATTERS: That was me on a gator hunt down in Florida a few years ago. But our next guest isn't scared at all. Joey Henney in his emotional support alligator Wally join me now. All right, Joey. A lot of people are looking at this situation and saying what a crock.
JOEY HENNEY, ALLIGATOR OWNER: Well, it's not a crock. It's for real.
WATTERS: Okay. Why do you need an alligator for emotional support? Why not a puppy?
HENNEY: Well, I'm not much of a dog or a cat person. When I was little, I raised bulls when I was a kid and became a bull rider. Ah, I like wild animals. But Wally wasn't gotten just for an emotional support animal. We rescue alligators.
WATTERS: Okay, so he serves many purposes. What does Wally provide emotional support for? Do you have an addiction? Do you have a disorder that you get a doctor's note for this?
HENNEY: Yes, I did have a doctor's note and he helped me through my time of depression when I lost three lifelong friends within a week and two with less than 24 hours apart and I went through a lot of depression.
WATTERS: Okay, so Wally has been there for you in times of need. Do you take Wally to the grocery store or to the bar? Are not allowed to do that?
HENNEY: Wally is my emotional support alligator from my home use and stuff, but we are invited everywhere. I do take him to Lowe's and Home Depot and he is usually always welcome there. What up buddy? Wally.
WATTERS: Okay, I see you kind of --
HENNEY: He's an alligator for fawning.
WATTERS: I see you kind of snuggling up with Wally. Do you like get a blanket and watch Netflix together?
HENNEY: No, but we do watch TV together. He'll get up and watch TV or lay there with me and just snuggle up and watch TV or just lying there and do nothing.
WATTERS: Do you bring Wally out on dates?
HENNEY: No.
WATTERS: I think he might want to. I think that could be a great conversation piece. But what do I know?
HENNEY: Yes, I guess, it could be?
WATTERS: Is Wally dangerous? I mean, can you snap at anybody when you guys are in Home Depot?
HENNEY: He's never tried. He's never attempted. We've had in 14 months from when he was rescued from the wild and he has never tried to bite anyone.
WATTERS: Okay.
HENNEY: You see, his mouth is not taped now.
WATTERS: Okay, well, you know what, if I ever visit, which I might, please tape the mouth.
HENNEY: Yes, when we take him out to visit, we usually put a rubber band or tape in his mouth, yes.
WATTERS: All right, well, Joey and Wally, welcome to my world. I never thought I'd see an emotional support reptile, but what do you know? Good luck and have fun at Home Depot. Be safe.
HENNEY: Yes. Thank you.
WATTERS: All right. Up next, "Last Call."
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WATTERS: Time now for "Last Call." I wanted to let you guys know that a pair of pants has been named after me. You guys got that? They're my pants. They are for me. They're called the Jesse. They are slim fit Chino sold by one of my favorite clothing stores, Grayers. They have a store down on Bleecker Street in the West Village. We also find them online. They're the perfect fit.
That's all for us tonight. Be sure to follow me on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. "Justice with Judge Jeanine" is next, and remember, I'm Watters and this is my world.
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