Bill O'Reilly grills President Obama over Benghazi, IRS and ObamaCare
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 3, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and she once wrote a cookbook for the Easy Bake oven, it's Dana Perino.
This is "The Five".
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GUTFELD: It's just a light bulb, Kimberly.
Yesterday in an interview with FOX News host and my squash partner, Bill O'Reilly, President Obama slapped FOX News for covering stuff like the IRS and ObamaCare.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Bill, you've got a long list of my mistakes of my presidency.
BILL O'REILLY, FOX NEWS HOST: No, really --
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}OBAMA: They believe it because folks like you are telling them that.
O'REILLY: No --
OBAMA: I mean, these kinds of things keep surfacing, in part because you and your TV station will promote them.
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GUTFELD: Now, blaming FOX News for Obama's scandals is like blaming rubble for an earthquake. FNC did not create ObamaCare or target enemies for IRS investigations. His people inflicted that pain. FNC just asked about the bruising.
But to use a football metaphor, once again, FNC is that sole remaining cheerleader who won't end up under the bleachers with the star QB.
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Anyway, if you dislike the president, his evasiveness will irk you. If you dislike O'Reilly, you'll think that he's rude. But if you're like me, you're like, why is this part of the Super Bowl? I mean, isn't the game enough? I don't want politics on this day. Maybe that's because I get it every single day of my life.
But if I were the president, I'd do nothing on that day but eat nachos and break wind, in that order. Nude.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}See, I'm a food separator. I don't like the steak touching my potatoes.
I'm the same with sports and politics, no mixing. And besides, if I want to see older men pumping their chests, the Red Hot Chili Peppers were at half time, shirtless. Gross.
I do have one gripe, however. It's this --
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{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}OBAMA: I mean, there were some risks if you have lone wolves or small cells of folks who are trying to do some damage.
What happens is, you have an attack like this taking place, and you have a mix of folks who are just trouble-makers. You have folks who have an ideological agenda.
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{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}GUTFELD: Folks, folks, folks. When we now refer to terrorists as folks, it's time to retire the word. The nice couple who run the hardware store, they're folks.
Terrorists. They're murderous A-holes. Let's keep that separate, too.
K.G., sorry. I'm so tired of hearing the word "folks" applied to everything. I don't even know any folks.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Well, ban it. You're the king of the universe anyway.
GUTFELD: I banned it months ago. No one listens to me, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: No one was listening. I'm still traumatized by the naked thing. Yes, that was --
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GUILFOYLE: I thought it was a very good interview. In fact, I wasn't expecting it to be as hard hitting since the hard hits are supposed to come during the game. But I'm wondering if the president's people are rethinking the advisability of sitting down with Bill O'Reilly who clearly was very well-prepared, knew exactly what he wanted to get to, and he got after it.
So, I'm happy for him. I'm happy for FOX. And, you know, I don't think it was a great interview for the president. But you know what? I'm glad he did it and he sat down with him and he should come and do interviews with FOX more often and answer the questions. It would make him a better man and a better presidency.
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BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, folks, let me tell you -- no, I don't. And I agree with you. I don't understand why we have to have a political interview before the Super Bowl. I mean, one day off would be just fine.
Have the interview the next day.
I think O'Reilly did a nice job. I frankly think Obama did a little better job than you people think, you maybe think (ph), but folks, that's the way you do it on Super Bowl Sunday.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}GUTFELD: Eric, the argument for having him on Super Bowl Sunday is that you get 100 million people that see him that normally don't? That's a fair argument.
BOLLING: Very fair. So, NBC loved it the first time, and then CBS got it, and then FOX got it, then NBC, then CBS, and then FOX. So, everyone is going to take the interview.
GUTFELD: Yes.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}BOLLING: OK. So, here's how it goes down. I have done a couple of these, clearly not to that caliber. They tell you exactly how many minutes you're going to get, they tell you what the camera angles are going to be.
So, Bill O'Reilly mapped -- likely mapped out his strategy. He said, I want to go here, here, here, and here. In fact, when Dana asked me on Friday, she said, what would you do, and it was almost the same map. It was the same map, let's be honest.
GUILFOYLE: He stole your idea?
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}BOLLING: No, he didn't steal my idea. It was the obvious map. It was the one that every American wanted to hear. Yes, let him take his victory lap on health care and start in on the scandals, starting with Benghazi, the most important one, and then go to the IRS and the other ones.
But here's the thing -- so, O'Reilly has to keep him on topic, on the map, and not let him filibuster. Obama likes to talk in more than one sentences at a time, so you have to kind of nudge him along the way.
I think Bill did a great job. I think going after him a couple of times on Sebelius, going back to him, rebutting some of the things he said, is not an easy thing to do. Obama is compelling. He'll kind of start where he thinks he's got it tied up and to go back at it.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}I think O'Reilly did -- he did a masterful job doing that. Tough job, but he did a great job with it.
GUTFELD: Dana, do you blame President Obama for always targeting FNC, or is it just because it's the only network maybe besides Jake Tapper over at CNN asking such questions?
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Like the best defense is a good offense, right? So, he doesn't have the answers for all of the questions that President -- President O'Reilly -- that has a certain ring to it, that Bill O'Reilly threw out to President Obama.
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PERINO: I didn't mean to throw things off there. I had a vision, and it came to me.
But like the Broncos, President Obama didn't move the ball at all, because one of the reasons you would want to do this interview right after the State of the Union is because you have presumably announced some big program or new policy, or you have something you want to convince the American people that you want them to follow you on because you want to lead them to a certain place.
{{#rendered}} {{/rendered}}There was nothing in the State of the Union that rose to that level that President Obama could talk about in that interview with Bill O'Reilly, almost said Bill O'Reilly again.
President Bush only did one of those interviews. It was in 2004 with Jim Nance, when CBS had it. I do think that -- I do wish the president did more interviews. I think that the White House press corps has not asked enough tough questions so you get to this point where there are all these questions that build up into one 10-minute interview, and I know there's going to be some more comments tonight because I think there were some things that didn't air last night that you're going to want the president to talk about, such a the Keystone Pipeline.
GUTFELD: Good point.
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GUILFOYLE: Eight p.m. Eastern.
GUTFELD: K.G., I want to play a spot for you. This is Obama on his fumbles.
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OBAMA: You were very generous in saying I looked pretty good considering I have been in the presidency for five years, and I think part of the reason is I try to focus not on the fumbles but on the next play.
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GUTFELD: You think that's a wise strategy? Shouldn't he figure out why he's fumbling?
GUILFOYLE: He doesn't really care. He's trying to move it forward, right?
As long as he feels like he's moving the ball down the field, he's OK, because he has a certain agenda that he wants to get to and with each passing hour, moment, day, he's running out of time, right, to effectuate all of these ideas that he has, get them done, put in place for his core ideology.
Yes, sure, he should focus on, if we want to be a complete person, on why things go wrong, and how he can do it better. But he really doesn't have time for that, as far as you're concerned.
BECKEL: You know, the idea of focusing on these fumbles --
GUILFOYLE: Immigration and everything he's got to try and get in.
BECKEL: That's true.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
BECKEL: But, you know, if you focus on, why go back and go over it again.
I mean, I just don't -- I think it's exactly right. You look down the road.
But when Eric says everybody in America is concerned about Benghazi, they are not. I mean, I know we have gone over the subject over and over and over again, and I will guarantee you it's not go to be a voting issue.
GUILFOYLE: It will be, because Hillary is running. It will be brought up.
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BOLLING: When you ask -- let's put it this way, when you ask Bill O'Reilly's faithful audience, what are the most important things to ask Obama, I guarantee it's Benghazi, IRS, and ObamaCare.
BECKEL: And 95 percent are going to vote for Republicans.
BOLLING: But, you know, so what Bill is doing --
GUILFOYLE: We don't just have Republican viewers, sorry.
BOLLING: My audience is concerned about this, and maybe you should be, too. So, his audience is x-million people, when he's got 115 million on the hook, hey, maybe Bill turns 5 million or 10 million over to start watching FOX News on occasion. I think it's a brilliant strategy. It's great.
GUTFELD: All right. I want to --
GUILFOYLE: We're the winners.
GUTFELD: Yes. Let's play this Obama SOT on when he's talking about the IRS.
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O'REILLY: I got to get to the IRS. What some people are saying is that the IRS was used at a local level in Cincinnati and maybe other places to go --
OBAMA: Absolutely wrong.
O'REILLY: You're saying no corruption, none? No?
OBAMA: No. There were some -- there were some bone-head decisions out of local office --
O'REILLY: Bone-head decisions but no mass corruption.
OBAMA: Not even mass corruption. Not even a smidgen of corruption.
O'REILLY: OK.
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GUTFELD: I like the use of the word, Dana, smidgen. It's not used enough in the American language.
O'REILLY: You don't take that personally, do you?
GUTFELD: That was unnecessary.
PERINO: OK, it's Monday.
GUTFELD: I'm a smidgen of a human being.
GUILFOYLE: You're a smidgen.
GUTFELD: But he also kind of uses the idea that it's incompetence and not corruption. Is that OK?
PERINO: There's so much incompetence that they keep fumbling the ball.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: With all of these things I would have tried to position to the president this question, which is if Benghazi is not a scandal, then could you explain to the American people and put this to bed.
Why did you blame the video? I think that's the one question, on the IRS.
If the IRS is not at all a problem, why did you call a live news press conference at 6:00 p.m. in the East Room to say you're outraged about it and you had to admit that your staff was so concerned about the possible corruption that they never told you about it?
Those are things that are festering that the White House hasn't answered and maybe they never will, but that doesn't mean that the American people are going to stop thinking about them.
BOLLING: But, you know, O'Reilly kind of pressed him on it, the video, the video. And Obama then did something I found really egregious. If you listen to the tape, he says the next day I called it an act of terror. I didn't call it a terrorist act --
PERINO: Right.
BOLLING: -- which is a semantics thing. And then he said -- and then, within one week, I was calling it a terror attack, which was a lie. It was not within a week, because we have September 20th when he was on Univision, he said we didn't have enough information. September 24th, he was on the view saying we don't know what it was.
PERINO: Yes.
BOLLING: And September 25th -- hold on.
GUILFOYLE: That was Candy Crowley, remember?
BOLLING: September 25th, two weeks afterwards, President Obama said we don't have enough information, and that was at the U.N. podium speaking to the world.
BECKEL: Can you explain to me why it is with all these things you talk about, the IRS, Benghazi, and the rest, the Congress has held 10, 20, 30,
40 hearings. There is not a corruption in the IRS. There's a lot of bad -
- as he said, bone-headed decisions.
But if you call it corrupt, prove it. Prove it.
PERINO: Why can't you do anything to change bone-headed decision making?
If that's happening everywhere from Health and Human Services to the IRS, to other places, why then doesn't anybody ever be held accountable for that?
GUTFELD: If you don't get caught, it's corruption. When you get caught, it's incompetence.
PERINO: Bone-headed.
GUTFELD: Yes, it's bone-headed. That's how it works?
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GUTFELD: That's a football made out of bread. I was at a bar, and the guy, (INAUDIBLE) in TriBeCa, and they were making sandwiches. And the bread -- the sandwich was a football.
GUILFOYLE: Is it still soft or it's hard and you can't eat it?
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PERINO: It's perfect sized.
GUILFOYLE: So cute.
GUTFELD: (INAUDIBLE) are getting really tiresome.
Hey do you want to hear the Hillary tweet, real quick?
PERINO: Sure.
GUTFELD: All right. Hillary tweeted during the thing. This is what she wrote. She said, "It's so much fun to watch FOX when it's someone else being blitzed and sacked. #SuperBowl."
PERINO: Presumably, she meant the Broncos and not Obama, right?
GUTFELD: I have no idea.
GUILFOYLE: Kind of funny.
GUTFELD: Yes, it wasn't bad.
PERINO: Twitter is going -- if presidents are going to start doing their own -- presidential candidates are going to do their own Twitter, we're dummying down the presidency.
GUILFOYLE: But do you think she did as --
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PERINO: I don't know -- I don't know.
GUTFELD: She might have said it and then somebody said, hey, that's funny.
I'll tweet it for you.
PERINO: But it's like funny in your family room when you're watching the game. It's not funny to the country.
GUTFELD: Oh, OK.
PERINO: OK?
GUTFELD: All right. Arbiter of what's funny on Twitter, Dana Perino.
PERINO: I was hilarious on Twitter.
GUTFELD: If it was attached to a dog photo, you would have said genius.
PERINO: Like it works every time.
GUTFELD: It does. Sadly, but true.
All right. When we come back, more from O'Reilly shootout with President Obama on Super Bowl Sunday. Not sure "shootout" is the appropriate term, next on "The Five".
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PERINO: I thought Kimberly would start dancing to the country music. That was personal request I just made.
All right. Welcome back to "The Five".
Continuing now with our analysis of Bill O'Reilly's exclusive interview with President Obama at the White House yesterday. And we didn't really get a chance to talk about the why of the year and the consequences of it.
Bill O'Reilly asked President Obama about why Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of HHS, is still in her job.
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O'REILLY: Why didn't you fire Sebelius, the secretary in charge of this?
OBAMA: You know, my main priority right now is making sure that it delivers for the American people.
O'REILLY: I'm sure -- I'm sure that the intent is noble, but I'm a taxpayer and I'm paying Kathleen Sebelius' salary and she screwed up and you're not holding her accountable.
OBAMA: Well, I promise you that we hold everybody up and down the line accountable.
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PERINO: So, American shareholders were watching their CEO last night. If you're a share holder, were you satisfied with that answer?
BOLLING: You're fired.
PERINO: You're fired.
BOLLING: You're fired.
So, Kathleen Sebelius, I mean, she clearly deserved at least some sort of -
- I think she should have been fired immediately when Healthcare.gov, which they had to have up and running on October 1st, they couldn't have waited, when they realized, there were glitches in the system. That's not accountability.
But the problem is President Obama has never run anything. He's never run a business, never been the governor of a state. All he's ever done had been a community organizer or a senator. So, he doesn't know that what accountability is. Has he ever fired anybody?
PERINO: Interestingly, though, Sebelius was a governor. I mean, he does have people in the cabinet who could have at least helped not make this as big a disaster as it was.
GUTFELD: He's fired a lot of workers in America, that's for sure.
BOLLING: That's good.
GUILFOYLE: What do you mean --
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PERINO: Sight unseen with a pink slip.
GUILFOYLE: -- all those shovel-ready jobs?
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: Let me go to one other thing because we want to get to Chris Christie in the latter half of this block. Let's just talk quickly about sort of the bigger picture that Bill O'Reilly asked President Obama about a letter that he looked add.
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O'REILLY: I got a letter from Cathy LaMaster (ph), Fresno, California. I said I would read one letter from the folks. All right?
"Mr. President, why do you feel it's necessary to fundamentally transform the nation that has afforded you so much opportunity and success?"
OBAMA: I don't think we have to fundamentally transform the nation.
O'REILLY: But those are your words.
OBAMA: I think that what we have do is make sure that here in America, if you work hard, you can get ahead.
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PERINO: So, what do you make of that, Greg, in terms of -- that's kind of the bigger question.
GUTFELD: It's part of who he is.
PERINO: Apart from the scandals, the individual things, it's overall -- it's transformation of America.
GUTFELD: It was part of who he is. It's the idea that America was not a great place until he fundamentally made it a great place. He was speaking out of disappointment.
America, thank God, is too big to fail, which is why he's trying to shrink it.
GUILFOYLE: Do you think, Kimberly, that's a good -- I think it's a good tactic to read a letter. A lot of sighs, issues going on in this FIVE, but it's kind of a good tactic from Bill O'Reilly's standpoint, to take a letter from people that he receives letter from all the time, and President Obama gets letters all the time. I don't know which ones they show him.
But do you think it was a good way to ask a question?
GUILFOYLE: I think it was masterful, yes, I do, because you're bringing in real people that have concerns, and that are words of the president. But he seems to not even remember that those are his words, those are from his mouth, or teleprompter and whatever, and he kind of sidestepped it, said, no, no, everybody opportunity, if you work hard, you'll be OK.
That's not what he was saying. He was saying that this isn't a fair place, that this country isn't fair, that we are keeping other people down by choosing others to be raised up. He wants to fundamentally change the way we do business, socioeconomically, specifically in this country. That's what he wants.
BECKEL: We don't knowingly do that. But we do that.
I mean, the fact is, rich get richer, the poor get poorer. But let's go back to this point.
GUILFOYLE: He said you can get ahead with hard work. Let the system do that. Let it be an area where we have free market and capitalism.
BECKEL: You have to alter the system somewhat for people to get ahead.
GUTFELD: Compared to what other system, Bob? What other system is better?
BECKEL: Oh, I know. Let me go back to tell you I love Che and I love the Khmer Rouge.
BOLLING: Here we go (ph).
BECKEL: No, listen, I think where Obama made a mistake here, Obama uses letters a lot when he gives a lot of his professional (ph) speeches.
PERINO: Yes.
BECKEL: He said I got a letter from so-and-so. And he does now, O'Reilly did to him, and he wasn't quite prepared for it.
BOLLING: But President Obama when he was Senator Obama, used those words the week before he was elected, October 25th of 2008. He said, we will -- we are about to fundamentally transform America. And we still elected him president, which is even more baffling. Maybe that's the question, how in the world can we elect a guy who's promised a massive change --
PERINO: How much time? Sorry.
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BOLLING: They're wrapping us.
PERINO: I can't hear a thing. OK, how much time do we have left?
GUTFELD: A small amount of time.
BOLLING: A smidgen.
PERINO: OK, they just tell me. So, guess what? Bob, you get to comment on Chris Christie because he had a tough weekend.
BECKEL: I think -- he did have a tough weekend. I think there are some big, big questions to be answered.
He can say what used to be a close political friend of his is now a liar and a skunk and all that, and the "New York Times" should not have gone with that. If in fact his lawyer is right and there is some e-mail or some papers that say that Christie was aware of these lane closures, he is gone.
PERINO: Not only that, but strangely, instead of just saying, I bring you to my press conference. Chris Christie's office made a decision to actually go after the guy, Wildstein, who was resigning. This is all but too detailed for this thing.
But you had the point about Wildstein you want to make.
BOLLING: The important point is that he was his closest adviser.
GUILFOYLE: Right, and an ally.
BOLLING: And now, he's the guy who claims -- yes, his ally -- who claims that there are links to Chris Christie knowing that the bridges -- how could he not know the bridge was -- you know, Governor. You know, he's my governor, I love you, my man, but the bridge, it's the biggest, most active bridge on the planet. It brings billions of dollars into New York and New Jersey. You know when that thing is closed. I don't get -- you can't deny that --
BECKEL: This goes beyond that.
PERINO: And on the media criticism point for "The New York Times," look at the public editor comments "The New York Times" just posted today, saying that "The New York Times" was extremely sloppy in the way they handled it.
So, to be continued, I'm sorry. We've got to wrap it up.
When we come back, we have extended footage you might not have seen from Budweiser's heart-warming Super Bowl ad about a military hero's homecoming.
And later, Bob and Eric's big adventure to the Super Bowl -- here's a peek.
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BOLLING: Bobby, take a look. There it is.
BECKEL: There it is. You know, I -- this is like amazing to me. I had no idea I was going to be going to the Super Bowl.
BOLLING: How exciting is this?
BECKEL: It's unbelievable.
BOLLING: It's off the hook.
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PERINO: More of their exciting night at the big game. That's ahead on "The Five".
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GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, Budweiser scored a touchdown with this heart- warming Super Bowl ad about the emotional homecoming of a military hero.
Army Lieutenant Chuck Nadd returning home from a tour in Afghanistan.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Feels really good to be back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please join me in welcoming Lieutenant Chuck Nadd home.
(CHEERS)
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GUILFOYLE: Well, an extended footage released online, some veterans in Winter Park, Florida, shared why they felt compelled to honor Lieutenant Nadd in the way they themselves never experienced when they returned home.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Every once in a while, somebody will come up and say thank you, and it really means a lot because we didn't get it when we came home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I got to my little small hometown in South Carolina, there was nobody out there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I felt like I just got out of jail or something. So, I was disappointed about that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We didn't tell anybody we were in Vietnam. And that's why --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's for all of us.
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GUILFOYLE: Very emotional. So, you take a look at that online again.
Dana, your thoughts?
PERINO: So, Lieutenant Nadd, I actually met two years ago at West Point, because I've gone up to talk to the political science class and I kept in touch with him. I didn't know that he was going to be in the ad until Saturday. He didn't know he was going to be part of an ad. He thought he was going to speak at the VFW event. And it's turned in this whole thing.
That's his girlfriend at the bottom of the escalator who turned in -- she saw the possibility for the ability to turn in an application for the possibility that her soldier that was coming home in January could maybe make it on there. She didn't expect to win it, but she did, and I think it's a great tribute.
And Budweiser really shows how the private sector can continue to help our soldiers even after they come home.
GUILFOYLE: Those were real. I thought it was so nice.
BECKEL: In that commercial, were those Vietnam veterans?
PERINO: It was a little bit, but they did a five-minute release video.
BECKEL: Those are two distinct things.
GUILFOYLE: Very emotional, very well done. I hope this lovely lady gets a proposal and a ring out of this. My gosh.
PERINO: She's really cute.
BOLLING: Very quickly, from a marketing standpoint, Budweiser nailed it.
This is what America wants. It's America's game. They're watching a football game. This is what it's all about, right there. That's the heart and soul of America. They got it.
PERINO: Greg?
GUTFELD: I think the message is great, which is gratitude. They should have done it without the Bud logo.
PERINO: Well, and I think the army might agree with you.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, right. Probably.
All right. Let's take a listen Eric, and I want to get your reaction to this.
Coca-Cola ad that a lot of people are talking about.
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BOLLING: OK, so here's what they're going for. They're going for that political correct America is a melting pot.
Now -- yes, America is a melting pot. The problem here, and it's not even bad if you have the different cultures showing a song, showing that America is a group of different cultures, but don't put it to "America the Beautiful."
You use the wrong song. You ticked off a lot of Coke drinkers. You ticked off a lot of Americans.
I think what you could possibly, for whatever you gain in this diversity thing you're going for, Coke, you blew it with a lot of people are very, very patriotic about that song. About that song.
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BECKEL: Why?
GUILFOYLE: Your buddy is upset.
BOLLING: Hey, Bob, if they were singing a John Cougar Mellencamp song that had America in it and they went through a Latin culture, an Asian culture, a Muslim culture, singing it in Arabic, that would be fine. But it was "America the Beautiful", and there's a distinction with that, in my world.
GUILFOYLE: Dana?
PERINO: I would be very happy if every language in the world was singing "America the Beautiful", because that means we have people focused on the best country on earth in history, and it's not like we're trying to learn the Iranian national anthem in Urdu. So I think it's a little overblown.
I don't know if they knew they were going to cause a controversy, but I guess they probably did.
GUTFELD: Yes, I looked at it as a compliment to the United States. People know we're the best country in the world, which is why they want to come here.
I agree with Eric. I get tired of having multiculturalism sold to me as soda pop. That bothers me.
However, I can't get outraged and I think sometimes this can be used as an outrage trap, to get people angry. I just let it go.
GUILFOYLE: I'll tell you outrage. I'm embroiled in a very difficult love triangle. I have tossed and turned about it all weekend. Joe Namath, me, Bob, the chinchilla.
Take a look at this. Friday on our super bowl special, there's Broadway Joe going in for the little woodpecker kiss. Very excited. Very youthful.
And then --
BOLLING: He stayed there.
GUILFOYLE: He stayed there, let me tell you something.
BOLLING: He didn't quite. He was, I'll hang out.
GUILFOYLE: Then he's like, what are you doing Saturday night?
Then, it was good old Ricky Bobby. Bob, your reaction. I said, am I going to be pregnant with a baby?
Look at Bob's face. Bob is not happy about this at all.
BECKEL: I have always admired Broadway Joe, but Joe, just stick with the girls from the Playboy Mansion, man. Do not -- you know, somebody -- the intellectual equivalent of what you go out with.
Leave my girl here alone, man. You ain't strong enough. Your knees are bad. I'm telling you, it could be a rough night next week.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.
PERINO: He wore a nice fur coat to the game.
GUILFOYLE: Dems fighting words. Yes, Bob was not happy. He was like, you know he's got bad knees, right? I was like, that's right, Bob, I got --
(CROSSTALK)
GUTFELD: Bob, I have seen your knees.
BOLLING: All right.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.
PERINO: Remember the dunking tank.
(CROSSTALK)
GUILFOYLE: All right. Fact is that Namath doesn't kiss like Bob Beckel.
Whoa!
PERINO: Wow.
GUILFOYLE: All right. You can see the entire extended footage of the Budweiser military ad on our Facebook page, Facebook.com/TheFiveFNC.
Coming up, an Oscar winning actor Philip Seymour Hoffman dead at 46, and police are looking for two drug dealers who sold the actor the deadly dope.
Should somebody have seen this coming?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
STEVE KROFT, CBS NEWS: So, this was drugs or alcohol or both?
PHILIP SEYMOUR HOFFMAN, ACTOR: All that stuff. Yes. Anything I could get my hands on. Yes, yes, I liked it all.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: Details next on "The Five".
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BECKEL: Police are investigating the sudden death of actor Philip Seymour Hoffman. The 46-year-old Oscar winner was found dead of an apparent drug overdose in his New York City apartment yesterday. Hoffman battled with substance abuse for many years. In a chilling interview with "60 Minutes"
in 2006, he spoke about his previous battles with addiction and said he had given up drugs because he had fear for his life.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KROFT: You said you don't drink?
HOFFMAN: No, I don't.
KROFT: In fact, you went into rehab at a fairly early age?
HOFFMAN: Yes, I did, I did. I went -- I got sober, I was 22 years old.
Yes.
KROFT: So, this was drugs or alcohol or both?
HOFFMAN: Yes, all of that stuff. Yes. Anything I could get my hands on.
Yes, yes, I liked it all. Yes.
KROFT: And why did you decide to stop?
HOFFMAN: You get panicked. You get panicked. It was -- I was 22, and I got panicked for my life. It really was, it was just that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BECKEL: One of the things that we think is suspected that he took heroin that had been mixed with another drug that was used for cancer patients.
That heroin has been sold in a number of people, over 100, have actually died from the use of that heroin. It's what we call a hot shot. I think that's probably there's something to it.
Eric, what do you think? This guy, who is responsible here for -- if he had a drug problem, he said he stayed in rehab for 10 days. That's not staying --
BOLLING: I'm curious, Bob. You nailed that, as soon as the news, you said, it's a hot shot, heroin, it's going around. So, what do you? Do you go after the deal -- I mean, do you go after dealers for murder? I mean, is it that dramatic that they can accuse a dealer for murder?
GUILFOYLE: Potentially. There's precedent.
BOLLING: If he knew?
GUILFOYLE: Yes, there's precedent. It would be more like manslaughter charge, like a second degree kind of, depending on what they knew, if they knew they were selling the drug, if there had been prior instances that people had taken it they had sold to, that had died from the drugs they were selling, then yes, you've got a case. And they've got two guys allegedly on tape outside a bank, an ATM, where another eyewitness saw a drug deal go down with Philip Seymour Hoffman.
He could make a positive in court identification, connect that to the drugs they have, because they have a police database in the narcotics about the different of where they're coming from, who is selling it. Where you buy?
You get a couple other people to point -- that are looking at drug charges to point to the dealers who are selling that.
BECKEL: And most heroin comes with a name on it, a tag name. These guys knew perfect well what they were selling.
Dana?
GUILFOYLE: It was on the bag, yes.
BECKEL: Yes.
PERINO: I don't know who -- the only person I see that is at fault here is Philip Seymour Hoffman. And he had every tool at his disposal and all the money in the world to get the help he needed, and I think that he -- I understand he was an addict, but I think he made a choice not to.
And I don't understand. I'm not comfortable with the NYPD going after the drug dealers for him when how many other people have been killed by drugs that they don't get the special treatment.
BECKEL: That's true. That's good point.
GUILFOYLE: But they also -- that's a great point. What I think is important is there are other people who have been subjected to this as well, that are suffering, they can't -- you know, can't get help or can't afford rehab and that are put in this situation.
So, for me, if it takes a case like this where somebody recognizes a high profile actor and they can nail the guys and get them off the street, I like it.
BECKEL: Greg, how many people die from heroin overdosed last year?
GUTFELD: I looked it up, it's between 2,000 and 3,000 deaths a year, and I doubt they get the same treatment that Philip Seymour Hoffman's drug dealers will get. It happens a lot.
I just want to make a couple of points here. People will get clean. Their tolerance will go down, and then they'll buy the drugs and they will overdose during a relapse because their tolerance is up there, and that's what happens.
There's a risk when you do these drugs. I have a problem with it being called an illness. I think it is a problem. I don't think it's an illness.
Cancer is an illness. My dad couldn't flush his cancer down a toilet like you can with an eight ball.
So, I think I feel bad for his poor family.
GUILFOYLE: And his three kids.
GUTFELD: He has three kids, but it was a choice he made.
GUILFOYLE: That's his life partner right there in the photo.
So, real quick, Bob, they had recently separated and that's why he was in the West Village, the Greenwich apartment, from not his wife but life partner of 15 years. So, there were some problems and there was a period of time where apparently he did go to rehab, and maybe there's some doubt about it at the table, but anyway, he seemed to be struggling.
BECKEL: It's a sad story all the way around, the one that we hear about every day.
Directly ahead, it's the moment you have all been waiting for. Eric and I take you along for the fantastic ride that was Super Bowl XLVIII.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BECKEL: Folks, here he is, the old man. Look at that. Oh, he moves blockers, making a turn. He's got it. Ducked underneath those. Oh, he busted through, and yes! Excellent job. Oh, whoa!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BECKEL: We'll show you what happened on our big adventure at the big game, next on "The Five".
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody. If you're a longtime "Five" watcher, you know Bob and I have had a running Super Bowl bet each year. The loser has to wear the winner's choice of wardrobe. More on that in just a minute.
Meantime, yesterday, I took Bob to the Super Bowl for his first time. It was a blast. Check out the adventure.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
BOLLING: Bobby, take a look. There it is.
BECKEL: This is like amazing to me. I had no idea I was going to be going to the Super Bowl.
That officially hurt. You know why? I was supposed to have a golf cart.
BOLLING: Three minutes out of the car.
BECKEL: I was supposed to have -- I was supposed to have a golf cart.
BOLLING: Three minutes.
BECKEL: Well, Bolling's actually going to try the Super Bowl (ph) experience and I'm going to do the play by play. If he doesn't end this thing with a broken back, I'll be amazed.
Here he is, the old man. Look at that. Oh, he moves. Blocks some blockers, made a turn. Now he's running down. He's got it. Ducked underneath that. Oh, he's busted through, and yes!
BOLLING: The one thing you've wanted for the last hour since it took us to get in here is what?
BECKEL: It's the most important thing in any football game. A sausage sandwich with...
BOLLING: Peppers.
BECKEL: Fried peppers and fried onions.
BOLLING: Let's go see if we can find one.
BECKEL: Yes, let's go find one.
The hell with the game. Sausage and pepper. And this is Chuck Norris.
Look at this. Chuck Norris is serving.
BOLLING: It's not football without sausage,.
BECKEL: That's right. Without sausage, there's no football. In fact, if there was no sausage, I wouldn't have come in.
That made it all worthwhile.
(MUSIC: "THE STAR-SPANGLED BANNER")
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Manning gets hit. Ball up for grabs. Picked off by Smith. Malcolm Smith. All alone. Touchdown, Seattle.
(MUSIC)
BRUNO MARS, MUSICIAN: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Percy Harvin, inside the 30. He's going to go.
Touchdown, Seattle.
BECKEL: It's unbelievable, isn't it? I mean, you've been to these things, right?
BOLLING: This is my fourth one. This is your first.
BECKEL: My very first. I can't believe it.
BOLLING: How exciting is this?
BECKEL: It's unbelievable.
BOLLING: Off the hook.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's had seven different receivers. Now Kearse. What a catch. Touchdown, unbelievable. Jermaine Kearse.
The Seahawks are world champs.
BOLLING: It's a great time. That's it for us. Having a ball, huh, Bob?
BECKEL: Unbelievable. It's incredible. I didn't think I was going to like it that much, but then I have. And thank you for the ticket.
BOLLING: It's all good stuff.
BECKEL: And you know something? People know "The Five" around here.
BOLLING: There you go. All right.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
BOLLING: Yes, we had a ball. Didn't we, Bob?
BECKEL: Yes, we did. It was a good time all the way around.
TANTAROS: There you go.
BECKEL: And I still get back to the number of people who -- "The Five" fans were out. They were so nice. It was so good to hear you all and talk to you. It was wonderful.
BOLLING: Great people. Halftime.
GUTFELD: I -- you know, I complained about how bad it was going to be on Friday. And I actually have to say, Bruno Mars did a great job, but they couldn't leave it alone. They had to wheel out those oily, half-naked corpses called the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
GUILFOYLE: Eww!
BOLLING: Stop it. They're not that old.
GUTFELD: But I mean, if you don't -- then you don't give Dolly Parton an extra breath. Just go out there with what you got. Bruno Mars was fine.
(CROSSTALK)
TANTAROS: ... does that. Dana.
BOLLING: Dana, you...
PERINO: Trying to picture it.
BOLLING: I wanted to point something out. After -- the most well-behaved fans I've ever seen, the Broncos and the Seahawks. Wow.
PERINO: There was a house divided at Casa Perino this weekend, because my I -- the Stanzels were here from Seattle, and then my brother-in-law and Peter, they went to the game for the Broncos. We had Seahawks, Broncos.
And they both said that everybody at the game was so cordial and nice to one another. Like, great sportsmanship.
It was just -- for me, it was like watching the Harlem Globetrotters run around the Washington Generals. It was about that.
BOLLING: K.G., a lot of people wanted to know how was Joe Namath as a kisser?
GUILFOYLE: I told you, man.
BOLLING: Oh, it's Bob?
BECKEL: That dude's got nothing over me, boy.
BOLLING: We're going to have to leave it there. By the way, it was a great night. In fact, last night broke the record for the most watched TV program in history.
Also, a huge thank you to our producer, Susan, who spent a lot of time on that package.
"One More Thing" coming up.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GUTFELD: Time for "One More Thing." I will go first. Banned phrase, "some say," used as recently as yesterday.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BILL O'REILLY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: What some people are saying is...
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PERINO: I like that he had yesterday with a British accent.
BOLLING: Just say who said it.
GUTFELD: I've said it.
PERINO: But if he said to Obama, "Gutfeld said," nobody would care.
GUTFELD: Bill probably said it. He could have said, "I've said," not "some." Somebody has said it -- K.G.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, boy. It will be great when you see him on set later.
GUTFELD: Oh, like he's going to treat me any worse than he does.
GUILFOYLE: I'm going to point out how much nicer I am about it than you are.
OK. So let's talk about "SNL." There's a big announcement there and a little celebration. Farewell and good luck to Seth Myers, who's leaving "SNL" and is going to take over the late-night spot that was left by Jimmy Fallon, and he's going to start that up on February 24. I think it's well- deserved. Take a listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SETH MYERS, OUTGOING CAST MEMBER, NBC'S "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE": It is my last show, and I just want to say being out here with my co-anchors and my dear friend and my husband is the perfect way to end. This is the job I always wanted. And I had the best time and I met the best people. And I just want to thank the crew and the cast, especially the writers and Lorne.
And thank you very much.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: Very sweet. He's a good guy. As you pointed out he was at the White House press corps function. He emceed that. And he did an event, a charity event at my son's school. He's a great guy. Sweet.
GUTFELD: D.P.
PERINO: OK. Sometimes on Twitter, I give you reading recommendations for your morning.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
PERINO: And for your lunch hour. I just wanted to take a moment, because there's somebody I think that you should make sure that you track down.
Kevin Williamson. Don't track him down because he's in trouble. Track him down on NationalReview.com. This is one of the best writers of our time.
GUTFELD: He looks like Satan.
PERINO: He just -- well, he goes on "Red Eye," too. So if you're looking for that. He recently wrote a whole feature piece on Kentucky, but today is about Detroit, called "Progressivism Kills." It's one of the -- I think one of his best pieces. He's somebody you should definitely follow and track down.
GUTFELD: Yes, he's good. Smart guy. Scary smart -- Bob.
BECKEL: All right. Yesterday, Eric and I had a wonderful vacation at the Super Bowl. Our senior producer, Porter Berry, she shows up. Take a look at these pants.
GUILFOYLE: Are they red?
BECKEL: He has red pants on.
PERINO: But they're not even red.
BECKEL: Nobody but nobody -- do we have a better picture than that? Is that the only one we've got? He wore red pants. It's so disgraceful. And look at that. Could you imagine?
GUTFELD: But you're a leftist. You should love red.
BECKEL: No, no, no. I do like it, but not like this. I mean, he got these some place in the southern part of Manhattan. But I mean, these pants -- I was embarrassed to be walking around with him.
(CROSSTALK)
GUILFOYLE: Really, what were you thinking?
BOLLING: Porter, what were you thinking?
GUILFOYLE: He has a really cute red and blue scarf, though. Very nice.
BOLLING: We don't have a lot of time. Apparently, these are the giveaways of the Super Bowl.
PERINO: Yes.
BOLLING: It was supposed to be really cold, so there were a lot of things like ear muffs and warm sweaters and stuff like that. Kind of cool stuff.
But do you realize how lucky the NFL is?
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: Last week, it was 8 degrees; it was 10 below zero. This week, it's a blizzard out here for 48 hours.
PERINO: But the only thing is that New York is like Hotel California. You can get here, but you can't leave because the weather is terrible.
BECKEL: How many times did you call your wife yesterday?
GUTFELD: All right. Don't forget to set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you back here tomorrow. "Special Report"
is next. I'm going to eat this.
GUILFOYLE: Mini-bread lover. Bite it!
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