Peter Hotez says he doesn't want to debate vaccines with Robert Kennedy in 'Jerry Springer Show' environment
Dr. Peter Hotez tells MSNBC why he doesn't want to have a 'debate' with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., a noted vaccine skeptic who's running for president, on Joe Rogan's podcast.
The challenge proffered by Joe Rogan, Elon Musk and others to a prominent vaccine scientist to debate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., doesn't appear like it will be accepted, but Kennedy's campaign said regardless he's already been invited back on Rogan's program.
Dr. Peter Hotez has said he'd go on Rogan's hugely popular podcast again but doesn't wish to debate Kennedy, a 2024 Democratic presidential candidate and one of the nation's most well-known vaccine skeptics. Hotez ripped Kennedy's recent appearance on "The Joe Rogan Experience" as "awful" and a torrent of misinformation on vaccines, leading Rogan to fire back with a six-figure charitable offer to convince him to debate Kennedy on the subject.
Musk chimed in that Hotez was afraid of a public debate, and others also came in with big-money offers to pressure him to show up. Hotez's defenders said it would only elevate fringe views from Kennedy, who has come under fire for spreading conspiracy theories like linking childhood vaccinations to autism. He has won new fans on the right for his criticism of establishment medical figures and COVID-19 vaccines.
Elon Musk, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Joe Rogan (( Left: REUTERS/Gonzalo Fuentes/File Photo, Center: REUTERS/Brian Snyder, Right: Photo by Jeff Bottari/Zuffa LLC via Getty))
Hotez, who has appeared frequently on CNN and MSNBC over the course of the pandemic, told MSNBC's Mehdi Hasan on Sunday he didn't want to get into a "Jerry Springer Show" situation and thus wouldn't debate Kennedy on Rogan's program. As the situation drew more attention online, an independent journalist and vaccine skeptic confronted Hotez at his home and asked why he wouldn't debate Kennedy. Hotez has taken criticism from conservatives for pushing aggressive mask and vaccine mandates during the pandemic, as well as delaying school re-openings.
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Kennedy, meanwhile, has denied being an "anti-vaxxer" but rather calls himself a vaccine safety advocate, which critics say obscures his true views. Vaccine expert Dr. Paul Offit, with whom Kennedy has clashed repeatedly, says the Food and Drug Administration already subjects vaccinations to greater scrutiny and testing than drugs. His foes also point to Kennedy's 2005 article jointly published by Rolling Stone and Salon that linked a preservative previously used in vaccines with autism, and also alleged a vast cover-up conspiracy embroiling medical experts and the pharmaceutical industry. However, the story required heavy corrections, and Salon eventually retracted it.
Kennedy's campaign said in a statement to Fox News Digital that he still welcomed the debate and revealed Rogan had already invited him back.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (Fox News/Hannity)
"Mr. Kennedy is sympathetic to this challenge," the campaign said. "People like Dr. Hotez who harangue the public about the safety and efficacy of Covid vaccines should be prepared to defend their views in public as well. The American people deserve to hear both sides make their case."
The campaign said Kennedy was "eager" to debate Hotez or any other representative of "Big Pharma's perspective." It also revealed Rogan's show was going to bring Kennedy back for a yet-unannounced show, although it appeared "no prominent mRNA vaccine advocate seems willing to debate him" so "the show will be a conversation rather than a debate."
Rogan's program didn't respond to a request for comment.
Fox News medical contributor Dr. Nicole Saphier said a debate like the one pitched between Hotez and Kennedy on COVID-19 vaccines would not serve the public interest anyway.
Joe Rogan's interview with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., angered vaccine proponents, who accused the two of spreading misinformation. (Spotify)
"I think at this point, the line has been drawn and people have made their decisions regarding [COVID] vaccine efficacy and the entire rollout," she told Fox News Digital. "The vaccine debate is not black and white. It really is a huge sea of gray. My opinion, the [COVID] vaccines were oversold and certainly overpushed. They had their benefit but the way it was rolled out was a disaster and created the largest anti-vax movement our country has ever faced."
She added they had been lumped in with MMR [measles-mumps-rubella] and other childhood vaccines, leading to declining vaccination rates and rising cases of diseases that had previously been essentially eradicated, like polio and measles.
Fox News contributor Dr. Marc Siegel said that even in the medical community, "we don't think everybody is an expert on everything."
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"We should respect the opinion of virologists and people with a vaccine background," he said, adding the discussion on vaccines needed to be about a risk-benefit analysis between doctors and patients.
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