Gutfeld: Timid Hollywood toadies push Iran deal for Obama
Their video exudes that same lame peer pressure a teenage pal uses when convincing you to shop lift septum rings from Hot Topic
This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 29, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hi, kids. I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Julie Roginsky, Eric Bolling, and she roller skates in a hub cap, Dana Perino -- "El Cinco"!
You know what America needs right now? Celebrities to explain the Iran deal.
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NATASHA LYONNE, ACTRESS: Are you saying that instead of a quick, toasting type of death that in a war with Iran maybe a lot of people would die much more slowly, like -- like if they were put into say an immense crockpot for a really, really long time?
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GUTFELD: Sorry, I said celebrities.
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JACK BLACK, ACTOR: Most people think toast is delicious. This would not be that kind of toast. It would be like a really dark, unpleasant cloud of death toast.
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GUTFELD: So this is new: Mocking naive celebrity activism while expressing the same naive celebrity activism. How meta. How precious. How obedient.
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BLACK: Look, we all love our children and the Iranians love their children.
MORGAN FREEMAN, ACTOR: And (beep), we've got a deal on the table that keeps us all safe.
LYONNE: Do me a favor, OK? Don't let some hot-headed member of Congress screw that up.
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GUTFELD: Well, well, well, she has a book. She can read. Perhaps she should read about the end of the Cold War and that if America had taken the advice of fellow travelers in Hollywood, the USSR would still be crushing the souls of millions. This video exudes that same lame peer pressure a teenage pal uses when convincing you to shoplift, septum rings from Hot Topic. Come on, dude. We all do this. And look, we're cool. And surprise, it sounds just like you know who.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Either the issue of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon is resolved diplomatically, through a negotiation, or it's resolved through force, through war.
FARSHAD FARAHAT, ACTOR: A strong deal built on international diplomacy is the best way forward.
FREEMAN: And the alternative to that is war.
FARAHAT: War with Iran is a really bad idea.
LYONNE: The worst idea ever.
(END VIDEO CLIPS)
GUTFELD: The worst idea ever. Anyway, these rebels spew the same lie touted by their yummy overlord, that if we don't do this deal, we die. Oddly, these phonies never raised that concern when there was no deal before. I guess when Obama says jump, they say how high -- after getting high. Bending over like timid toadies in service of their king, Hollywood is the chief propagandist arm for American subservience.
Now, if you're Iran, you love this. Who needs PR? These suckers make it for you. This video serves the mullahs' goals, convincing America that our implied threat of force is actually evil. So the villains aren't gay-hating Islamists or women killing tyrants, but actually us: an American Congress bent on the apocalypse. Don't we understand? Iranians love their children too.
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BLACK: And believe me when I say to you, I hope the Iranians love their children, too.
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GUTFELD: See, he's making fun of himself, so we won't. I'd say stick to movies, but even those aren't very good.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: It's pretty good, some of it.
GUTFELD: Some of them are. It hasn't had a good one in awhile.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: "School of Rock."
BOLLING: "Shallow Hal" was the funniest movie.
JULIE ROGINSKY, GUEST-HOST: No, no.
GUILFOYLE: "School of Rock."
ROGINSKY: "School of Rock" was great, I'm with K.G.
BOLLING: "School of Rock" was good too.
GUTFELD: "School of Rock" was a good movie. I like that.
ROGINSKY: Yeah, it was.
GUILFOYLE: How was it?
GUTFELD: Well, let's stick to the topic here K.G., before we go off the rail.
GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I don't even who any of those people are. Honest.
GUTFELD: Actually known.
GUILFOYLE: I know Jack Black and I know Morgan Freeman.
GUTFELD: I didn't know the other fellow.
ROGINSKY: Who's the other guy?
GUTFELD: But Natasha Lyonne is an actress in Orange Is The New Black. She has quite of colorful history.
ROGINSKY: She's in American Pie.
GUTFELD: Yeah, that's true.
ROGINSKY: The great American Pie.
GUTFELD: What a classic film that was.
ROGINSKY: It is.
GUTFELD: She's made a lot of interesting choices in her career.
GUILFOYLE: Well, I like American Pie.
ROGINSKY: Me too, great movie.
GUILFOYLE: I didn't particularly care for this.
GUTFELD: The scene.
GUILFOYLE: It just wasn't very good.
GUTFELD: Did this video convince you, Kimberly, that perhaps this Iranian deal is great because Jack Black has a Frisbee?
GUILFOYLE: Yes, it did. Julie, quick, switch chairs.
ROGINSKY: Let's go. Come on over.
GUILFOYLE: I'm gonna sit over here.
ROGINSKY: Come on over.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. No.
GUTFELD: No?
GUILFOYLE: No. I mean, I was watching it because Dana sent it. It's like this is like prepared (ph) for the show. I was like watching it. I was like this screams great monologue, we are all watching it. Bolling, everybody got it, so like, OK. I get it, this is Hollywood again. But what is this preachy weirdness where they think they know better than everybody else?
GUTFELD: Will there -- do they have every right, Julie, to do -- to say whatever -- of course, and we love it when we hear people that we agree with. My -- what I find interesting here is that they're making fun of the idea.
ROGINSKY: Like what?
GUTFELD: While they're still doing it.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Exactly.
ROGINSKY: Well, the sting impression was nice, right?
GUTFELD: Yes, very good.
ROGINSKY: Well, that was great Jack Black. You know, color me cynical and old, but I really don't care what Natasha Lyonne of American Pie fame because I don't watch Orange Is The New Black has to say about.
GUILFOYLE: Color you orange.
ROGINSKY: Color me orange about politics. I just, you know, I don't really care.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
GUILFOYLE: Who's impersonating Queen Noor?
ROGINSKY: Yeah.
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GUTFELD: I don't know. Will it -- Eric, you know what I thought was interesting? This was commissioned, I guess by something called Global Zero.
BOLLING: Global Zero.
GUTFELD: However, it was exactly what Obama was saying. It's a -- how -- what a coincidence.
BOLLING: Yeah. They're right in lockstep, in goose step in fact. Did you notice when.
GUTFELD: Who?
BOLLING: Who was it that said.
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BOLLING: I'm sorry about that.
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BOLLING: Who was that said it would be the worst idea to go to war with Iran ever? Sis like all ever?
GUTFELD: Yeah.
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BOLLING: Get toward -- why would that be a bad idea, by the way? If they want to kill.
GUILFOYLE: Oh my, God.
BOLLING: America, wouldn't it be a good idea to make sure they don't succeed in their goal of death to America?
GUTFELD: I don't even think they notice that they say death to America. That's not a big problem. They probably have no idea.
BOLLING: Did you notice that Global Zero also has a plan to bring the global number of war heads, nuclear warheads, down to zero? Now, why would they want to do that? I get it. You don't want to have anyone. But isn't the fact that we are the strongest and have the most capability and the most nuclear power and haven't used it, except for the one time. I have never used it in 50, 60 years. Wouldn't be the case for having the power to make sure the globe is safe rather than making sure everyone -- no one has one and let Iran develop their own without telling anyone else and then succeed in their goal of death to America?
GUTFELD: Yeah. Usually sure destruction worked.
BOLLING: Correct.
GUTFELD: In the cold war.
BOLLING: Yup.
GUTFELD: But I don't think they read up on that, Dana?
GUILFOYLE: But you suggested it.
GUTFELD: Yes. Did it move you to rethink your position?
PERINO: It moved me to pitch it as the A block.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
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PERINO: Look, there's nothing so important that can't be trivialized by Hollywood.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
PERINO: And that -- you're right, that they are making fun of themselves. It's like reading something onion, but they get to something that you wrote about in Not Cool, which is, if you could ridicule something so much, then it shows it's not cool to be concerned about the Iran deal.
GUTFELD: Right.
PERINO: Therefore, the message is, don't worry about it.
GUTFELD: Exactly.
PERINO: OK?
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PERINO: Even if Global Zero -- it comes up with this idea for celebrities that you can put words in their mouths and it's like oh, it's fun and -- then they probably got paid. Let's be honest. OK, they probably got paid. If you were actually interested in finding out how to avoid and get to a situation where there is not a nuclear war. There's another group. It's United Against Nuclear Iran, UANI. I think you can follow them on Twitter on things. They're doing actually really smart things. Senator Joe Lieberman is a part of that group and I think their information is just so much more serious. And if I could just add one other thing, public polling is going the wrong way for Obama on this deal.
ROGINSKY: Right.
PERINO: It doesn't mean they're ultimately not going to get it because they might. But I think that they have been surprised by the sustained pushback on Capitol Hill and the growing concern outside of the elite foreign policy circles, people don't like the deal.
ROGINSKY: But here's what I don't get. Who's.
GUILFOYLE: And the city is not gonna.
ROGINSKY: Yeah. Who's.
PERINO: Right.
ROGINSKY: Who are we supposed to appeal to, right, because I can see between two ferns, Obama doing that before the election, he's trying to get millennials to come out and vote. This is up to Congress.
GUTFELD: Right.
ROGINSKY: Do you really think a Brad Sherman, who's skeptical about this deal. Democratic California is gonna be swayed by the fact that Jack Black is doing a sting rip off or anything else? That's what I don't get. Like, who's in the group?
GUTFELD: They will know because they have the phone number up in the video so they're gonna get people, they're gonna get, maybe a few million views.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
GUTFELD: Get people to call, and then the congressmen or senators will be.
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BOLLING: It's out of Congress's hands now. President Obama -- the Congress is gonna veto it. They're gonna come back and President Obama is gonna say, no way. He's going to override the veto and it gets signed out. Are we kidding?
ROGINSKY: Well, but that's how it works. They get vote out of.
BOLLING: Well, I know how it works. So who are they talking to? I'm not sure.
ROGINSKY: But, maybe.
BOLLING: Maybe they're just talking to.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
BOLLING: The young people.
PERINO: But did.
GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah.
BOLLING: Stay with us.
GUTFELD: They're talking to us.
PERINO: You have the Demsey quote?
GUTFELD: Yes, I ask --
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GUTFELD: Thank you very much. We're -- let's talk about -- whoa, you want me to do the Dempsey quote first?
PERINO: Well, I think -- can I set it up a little bit?
GUTFELD: Yeah. Please do.
PERINO: OK. So you that.
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GUTFELD: Anyway, but she said -- I just was told we don't have Dempsey's quote.
PERINO: OK. Well, let me just tell you what he said.
GUTFELD: Sure.
(LAUGHTER)
PERINO: Actually, I'm just on the A block. But I never could have gone to monologue as well as you. OK, so.
GUTFELD: Oh, OK.
PERINO: So in the Global Zero piece.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: With those celebrities, and with President Obama. When you show the juxtaposition, I mean, you bounce those sound bites together they're all saying the same thing. Today, General Dempsey, the joint chairman --
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PERINO: The joint chiefs
ROGINSKY: Chairman of the joint chiefs.
PERINO: Chairman of the joint chiefs.
GUTFELD: Somebody had to join earlier.
PERINO: Sorry, I didn't. I just wasn't prepared because I thought you would have the sound bite. He says -- oh, I never -- I don't think that that's true.
GUTFELD: Right.
PERINO: OK. This is the head of the military, who was supposedly advising President Obama. He says of oh, that's -- there's not just a black and white choice. You know, there are lots of other things that could be done.
GUTFELD: You could do. And then we've deal -- dealt with those with sanctions, with Iran and other countries. I want to do a call for. This is interesting. Apparently, in the Iran deal there are secret parts to it that Iran is privy to that the American public is not. And here we have Tom Cotton talking to John Kerry about this.
GUILFOYLE: Shocking.
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TOM COTTON, SENATOR, ARKANSAS: . classified.
JOHN KERRY, UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF STATES: Because.
COTTON: It's not a sensitive U.S. government document. The Ayatollahs know what they agreed to.
KERRY: Because we respect the process of the IAEA. We don't have their authorization to reveal what is a confidential agreement between them and another country.
COTTON: So the Ayatollahs will know what they agreed to, but not the American people?
KERRY: Well, the -- no, not exactly.
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GUTFELD: So.
GUILFOYLE: What exactly?
GUTFELD: Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: What exactly?
GUTFELD: Looks like Tom knocked Kerry off his bicycle.
GUILFOYLE: I've -- they -- that family should just stick to the ketchup because that's all that's good that's happening there.
GUTFELD: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: I mean that makes no sense. Like we want to respect the process, so the Ayatollahs are going to know exactly what's it in. But out of respect, the U.S. is like we don't want to be nosy. We're gonna respect the process. We don't need to know anything, but we're gonna agree to this deal and it's in the U.S. best interests. That should frighten people.
GUTFELD: We're always operating, Eric, from the assumptions that we are the bad guys.
BOLLING: The bad guys.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
BOLLING: Well.
GUTFELD: So it is.
BOLLING: Don't forget President Obama said from the very get go.
GUILFOYLE: So, then act bad.
BOLLING: Well.
(LAUGHTER)
GUILFOYLE: Act bad.
GUTFELD: Exactly.
BOLLING: What is bad, though?
GUILFOYLE: Act bad.
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GUTFELD: We should be shouting death to Iran not --
BOLLING: But why.
GUILFOYLE: Why.
GUTFELD: We should be shouting death to America, it's just.
GUILFOYLE: That is my point.
BOLLING: But we've been acting bad, and President Obama's the savior who came in and cleaned up the American way. Listen, we're not going to go attack anyone. We're going to be really cool. We're not going to be exceptional anymore. Everyone's on an equal playing field. I mean that's dangerous. That's more dangerous than making this deal with Iran. Do these celebrities even have an idea.
GUILFOYLE: No.
BOLLING: What Iran is up to? What Iran wants to do with their nuclear enrichment program?
GUILFOYLE: All right. So we go -- yeah, yeah, we'll agree with the deal, then what we do is totally go around it. Then we go steal their stuff and like bomb them and do whatever else we need to do, right?
GUTFELD: They think.
GUILFOYLE: That's what a bad gut will do.
GUTFELD: they think Iran is a flock of seagull's song (ph).
BOLLING: Where any of those celebrities out there -- where any of those celebrities Jewish?
ROGINSKY: Kind of so bad.
GUTFELD: I have no idea. I think Natasha has Jewish heritage. Yes, I believe she does.
ROGINSKY: Natasha Lyonne?
GUTFELD: yes, I believe so.
ROGINSKY: Did you do DNA test? How do you know?
BOLLING: Boy.
GUTFELD: Because I read a Wikipedia page.
ROGINSKY: Oh. It's on there?
GUTFELD: Roginsky.
BOLLING: Because.
ROGINSKY: Roginsky.
BOLLING: If you're a Jewish and you're a celebrity, I'm shocked that you're gonna go on line -- on record saying, this is a good idea for the U.S. and.
ROGINSKY: Well, I'm Jewish and I'm not a celebrity and I have question marks about this, but.
BOLLING: See.
ROGINSKY: I'm not.
BOLLING: All right.
ROGINSKY: But I'm not willing to.
BOLLING: Would you have gone on that video, the Global Zero video saying, hey, we should.
ROGINSKY: I certainly could do a much better cover. I would do a Sting cover much better than Jack Black did, if I did. I'll just.
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PERINO: The best thing about -- when you're on with Greg is that you two have a conversation about pop culture that -- it's amazing to watch and I have no idea what's going on.
GUTFELD: Well, maybe if we talk more about Dierks Bentley.
PERINO: OK.
GUTFELD: You see if there's difference.
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GUILFOYLE: I mean.
GUTFELD: She's bent for Bentley.
PERINO: Whoa.
GUTFELD: All right -- what is that mean? That means you like her?
PERINO: I don't know what it means.
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GUILFOYLE: I just think I should be affected.
GUTFELD: Yes.
ROGINSKY: Is it a, him?
GUTFELD: What?
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GUTFELD: Yeah, it is.
ROGINSKY: Oh, OK.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, it is.
GUTFELD: All right. What happened?
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
GUTFELD: Well, the mainstream media finally cover the Planned Parenthood videos, now that Hillary Clinton has acknowledged that they are disturbing, next.
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GUILFOYLE: Hillary Clinton, staunchly defended Planned Parenthood last week after two videos surfaced of officials discussing the sale of body parts of unborn babies.
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HILLARY CLINTON, 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think it is unfortunate that Planned Parenthood has been the object of such a concerted attack for so many years. And it's really an attack against a woman's right to choose, to make the most personal, difficult decision that any woman would face, based on her faith and her -- and the medical advice that she's given.
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GUILFOYLE: Well, this week she's shifted her stance a bit after a third video came out. She told the paper in New Hampshire, "I've seen pictures from them and obviously, find them disturbing." This raise is not questions about Planned Parenthood so much as it raises questions about the whole process. If there's going to be any kind of congressional inquiry, it should look at everything and not just one organization. The White House hasn't denounced what's on the tapes.
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ERIC SCHULTZ, PRINCIPAL DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: We are, of course here, familiar with the news reports, including that a lot of these videos have been edited. In response to your question about House republicans moving to defund Planned Parenthood, we couldn't disagree more with their actions.
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GUILFOYLE: All right, Eric. Is Hillary Clinton taking the right stance here in saying what's disturbing, but don't focus on Planned Parenthood.
BOLLING: Right.
GUILFOYLE: Let's look at the whole process.
BOLLING: Indicts the whole process so they can't say what Planned Parenthood is just part of the process and those other, you know labs over there that are doing things that may look like they're the same thing or hospitals. A lot of women go into hospitals and have for whatever reason, abortions or they have procedures. And those are different -- I assume Hillary means include those people as well, basically, saying stop pointing the finger at Planned Parenthood. The White House saying the republicans, they're wrong at pointing a finger at Planned Parenthood. We have three examples and maybe more of Planned Parenthood operatives negotiating prices for baby body parts, disgusting examples. Planned Parenthood is on the hook. No one else is on the hook right now. Don't indict the process. Indict the actors, the villains, the criminals, and what they did is criminal. So stick -- stay focus, Hillary. Stay focus, White House. It's Planned Parenthood. I mean, is -- are the donations that important to them? Or -- is the ideology that important to them that they'll look the other way when someone violates the law that blatantly?
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ROGINSKY: She's bringing up -- I think a very good point, which is she talking about -- you want to talk about what this is? We're talking about potential embryonic stem cell research, right? It was like.
BOLLING: Right. So she.
ROGINSKY: No.
BOLLING: But the point.
ROGINSKY: Is that a policy you never post (ph)?
BOLLING: Again, the issue with Planned Parenthood isn't that they're transferring fetal tissue to a lab. It's that they're doing it for a profit. They're negotiating a price. And that's where they break the law.
ROGINSKY: So you'd be OK if they were doing it, just not that if they were.
BOLLING: Which on, Planned Parenthood?
ROGINSKY: Yes.
BOLLING: I hate the process completely. I'm against it completely. I don't like it. But I'm saying that the part that they break the law is when they start negotiating price. Incentivizing more clinics to incentivize the young women, to may or may not want to have an abortion to say, you know what, if we talk her into an abortion, we'll be able to sell it for 75 bucks up to 300 bucks.
ROGINSKY: All right, Eric. I don't think any woman is going to be talking to abortion. I think it is such a personal, horrible choice for anybody to make. That I don't think anybody is going to say, oh that's.
GUILFOYLE: That's the counselors are there for. They talk to them and talk them about options, talk to them about choices, and somebody could change their mind and help them sways one way or the other. And the problem is the system is flawed. If there is a financial incentive built in, the more abortions, the more body parts that they're able to sell. I mean it's -- there should be a rule.
BOLLING: There is.
GUILFOYLE: To (inaudible) that, right?
BOLLING: It's there on the law.
GUILFOYLE: Versus.
BOLLING: Yeah.
GUILFOYLE: The problem is that's insane (ph). There should be an investigation because criminal laws have been potentially broken here. That should be the focus.
ROGINSKY: Well, that's interesting because I think the focus for a lot of people who are pro-life, and I'm not one of them, but the focus is should we be engage in this kind of research to begin with. And I think that's what Hillary saying. In fact, if I were pro-life, that's the argument that I make.
BOLLING: If you -- again, I'm sorry guys, but you're inflating two issues. It's the science is one issue and.
GUILFOYLE: Separate.
BOLLING: Profiting over. ROGINSKY: Right.
BOLLING: The fetal tissue.
ROGINSKY: Correct.
BOLLING: It's a completely separate issue.
ROGINSKY: Yes.
BOLLING: And I will tell them unequivocally, both sides of the aisle should agree with their profit most part.
GUILFOYLE: Dana.
ROGINSKY: I agree with the profit more than you.
PERINO: Well, I saw -- my first saw in this morning, I thought, OK, Hillary is doing -- she's got some polling overnight and they've found that America.
ROGINSKY: Right.
PERINO: Is disgusted. And they're right -- and they should be. OK, but she also tried to figure out a way, then how do I deal with -- how do I flip the baby. So what she's doing is she's saying, let's spread the pain across Planned Parenthood because Planned Parenthood is an indispensable position. So they want -- as they said, spread it all around so that everybody is indicted. I hope -- I wish, I thought that she believed that. My -- I also thought well she is a grandmother of a new baby girl. So, that -- maybe there's like a little bit of a different mindset that she has. But I think what she's actually trying to do is to help preserve her campaign, spread the pain, kick this down the road. Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa, who is a freshman senator, has actually introduced the bill that would defund Planned Parenthood at the same time, making sure that women's health needs that are ones that Americans can all agree on could be funded and taken care of. And last thing I would say on this point about fetal tissue and research for stem cell research, there is -- you've got to go and look at this piece by Amy Otto of The Federalist because (inaudible) cells can be grown in a lab. We, as a society as humans, we do not have to do this procedure in order to do the scientific research that we could all agree we need.
GUILFOYLE: Right. You can still support the research without supporting this and you should.
GUTFELD: Yeah. I mean, the defense of barbarism is predicated it's starting with the end result. We already have this tissue. It's a shame to let it go to waste. As if the fact that.
ROGINSKY: Right.
GUTFELD: It's not garbage because it's a heart. It's only garbage if it's a baby.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
GUTFELD: So if you look -- if you throw the baby away, that's garbage. But no, the heart's precious. You could get something, you could save a life. Well, you just threw away a baby but the heart's valuable. That's the horror and the terror and the hypocrisy that nobody can understand. And what a reversal that we've seen in society. We base communities on the idea of protecting children based on the sacrifice of adults. Adults work and die so that their next generation would grow and prosper. We have now reversed it.
PERINO: Yup.
GUILFOYLE: And evolved.
GUTFELD: We have reversed it so that adults use children in order to survive because now, we have this tissue that can allow us to live longer. And once you've accepted this idea that you can use this tissue to make yourself healthier, what's to stop you from making it into a nutritional supplement? What's to stop you from any kind of weird, bizarre, amoral act because you've already made the leap? If you're OK with this, then you are OK with everything and nothing would stop us because we don't give a damn.
ROGINSKY: So let's just be clear because we want from Eric saying that he.
GUTFELD: Oh, I'm clear.
ROGINSKY: No, no, no.
GUTFELD: I'm very clear on this.
ROGINSKY: We want from Eric.
GUTFELD: I know. I disagree with you. I'm telling you.
ROGINSKY: OK.
GUTFELD: I disagree with you on both parts.
ROGINSKY: OK.
GUTFELD: I don't believe that because you have these unborn children, you can use them for stem cell research because well, they're already there. That's B.S. The fact is, your argument is, it's a shame they don't go to waste. Well, then you're actually confessing that they're not a waste.
ROGINSKY: That's actually not my argument. My argument is that stem cells research and embryonic stem cell research, people like Nancy Reagan supported, who is not pro-life, pro-choice as far as I can tell, have absolutely -- it is a scientific advance, and if you want to.
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GUTFELD: On the.
ROGINSKY: If you want to say that you would advance.
GUTFELD: On bodies.
ROGINSKY: No, but.
GUTFELD: On the bodies.
ROGINSKY: That's where you and I disagree. I disagree with you that it's a body.
GUTFELD: So it's just a lump of cells that we can harvest because it's gonna make us live 10 years longer.
GUILFOYLE: Well, it's not about.
GUTFELD: I want to live 10 years longer if I do.
GUILFOYLE: It's a body. It's just a dead body, so.
GUTFELD: You can look at the body.
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GUTFELD: And you can use an ultrasound to see how healthy those organs are, but God forbid you use an ultrasound to show how healthy the baby is.
ROGINSKY: So let's be clear. This is not about defunding Planned Parenthood because Planned Parenthood has a profit motive. It's about defunding Planned Parenthood because you want to ban abortions.
GUTFELD: No. See that's where you're wrong.
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GUTFELD: I've accepted. I know. I've accepted.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
GUTFELD: The inevitability of abortion. But I refuse to accept the amoral consequences that are even far worse than that, which is harvesting them because we decided that as an adult society, we can use children to make our lives better, if you seek the reverse.
ROGINSKY: But what if you decide -- and if a woman decides that's what she want to do with her aborted fetus, you're gonna.
GUTFELD: Absolutely not.
ROGINSKY: OK.
GUTFELD: There's nothing about her pro-choice decision that you just member (ph) that unborn child. If you already made up your mind, that it's on you, when you have an abortion.
PERINO: Right.
GUTFELD: it's on you. But then you can't -- then expand the idea of pro- choice to, by the way, I'm having the abortion and feel free to slice it up.
ROGINSKY: OK. Other than throwing in the garbage? Because that's what's going to happen to it, right?
GUTFELD: There's you're -- you should.
ROGINSKY: No.
GUTFELD: You've just proved my point.
ROGINSKY: No. I didn't.
GUTFELD: It's garbage unless we use it.
GUILFOYLE: Once you said it's not a body.
GUTFELD: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: Even though you can see a baby's body.
GUTFELD: You think that the circular argument that I've just won.
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(LAUGHTER)
ROGINSKY: But we can discuss that.
GUILFOYLE: I don't think anybody would agree with that actually, it was pretty convincing.
PERINO: Yeah.
GUILFOYLE: Destroyed your argument.
Stay tuned for a jam-pack Fastest 7. Late Night host Jimmy Kimmel gets choked up over Cecil the Lion. Tom Brady gets fired up over the NFL's new Deflategate decision, that and more, coming your way next.
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BOLLING: Welcome back, time for the fastest seven minutes on television. Three bold stories, seven brisk minutes, one brassy host. First up, Cecil the Lion is dead and there's a public outcry for the American dentist who shot him dead with a cross bow and then a gun in Africa. Jimmy Kimmel got choked up last night talk about Cecil.
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JIMMY KIMMEL, HOST, ABC'S "JIMMY KIMMEL LIVE": I think it's important to have some good come out of this disgusting tragedy. So this is the web site for the wildlife conservation research unit at Oxford. You want to make this into a positive, you can -- sorry. OK, I'm good. Make a donation to support them at the very least maybe -- maybe we could show the world that not all Americans are like this jack hole here, this dentist.
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BOLLING: All right, Greg, we'll start with you. We'll go this way, first topic.
GUTFELD: I don't think that's a brave stance. I think there are plenty of horrible things going on in this world. For example, there are Africans who are dying.
We just did a very heated topic on these Planned Parenthood videos, and he's getting choked up about a lion.
I understand a lion is a beautiful creature. It's a wonderful creature. But it's easy outrage. And I also believe that this kind of outrage is a consequence of a moral cowardice in the face of other evil, that you transfer your impotence about other -- in other arenas to this, because you know that people will agree with you that this is really bad, but there are serious outrages out there that are bigger than a lion.
BOLLING: Dana, where are you on this one?
PERINO: I have -- I've seen them in the wild. There is something that is just so majestic about it. I am not a hunter, but I understand hunting. And the dentist says that he believed that everything was above board and legal.
But there are people -- maybe Jimmy Kimmel is one of them -- but many who think that as humans right now, we don't need to do this kind of activity.
BOLLING: Yes. It just eats me up. Animals are so beautiful. Why does an American dentist need to go to Africa to kill them? Look, I get it. You're a hunter? Go kill a deer and eat it or a bear where there's a lot of them. But I just don't get it. I'm sorry -- Julie.
ROGINSKY: I'm with you. I mean, if you want to hunt, because you want to kill and eat, I'm all for it. Go do it. But to do this for no reason whatsoever? Why? For sport?
GUTFELD: There is an argument that the sport sustains the species, that they ensure that these wildlife populations exist. They look over the land; they pay for the refuges. It's like 50 grand to do this. I'm not saying...
GUILFOYLE: How about make a donation?
ROGINSKY: Yes, I'm with you.
GUTFELD: I think it's weird. But the fact is, legal hunting actually ensures species to survive. Oddly as it sounds.
BOLLING: K.G., can I fill this out here. There's a White House petition to go after, to arrest this hunter that shot Cecil.
GUILFOYLE: Arrest for what?
BOLLING: It's one of those WhiteHouse.gov things where you can get 100,000 signatures, they look into it. K.G., as Greg points out, I don't see that petition to go after Planned Parenthood.
GUILFOYLE: No. Yes, for an investigation there. About Steinle murder. A public statement about that, perhaps, from the White House.
Yes. It's obviously very upsetting that this guy did this. And so he said, "I thought it was legal." Why are you even doing this to begin with? Why do you need to do that? Pay $50,000? Like, do something good with your money. Make a donation in a positive way.
GUTFELD: He wants to do it because he can. It's not illegal.
Can I point out one thing? I know you've got to go. The six cubs of Cecil will now be killed by the new male lion in the pride in order to encourage a lioness to mate with him. So at the end of the day, I hate to say that animals are animals.
BOLLING: All right. Let's move on. Stay right there, K.G. We're going to start with you on this one.
Next up, Tom Brady is hot at the NFL. He shot back with this Facebook post, saying in part, quote, "I did nothing wrong and no one in the Patriots -- nor did anyone in the Patriots organization did, either. I will not allow my unfair discipline to become a precedent for other NFL players without a fight."
Now team owner Robert Kraft, usually a friend of the league, unloaded on the NFL and Commissioner Roger Goodell.
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ROBERT KRAFT, OWNER, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS: I had hopes that Tom Brady's appeal to the league would provide Roger Goodell the necessary explanation to overturn his suspension. I want to apologize to the fans of the New England Patriots and Tom Brady. I was wrong to put my faith in the league.
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BOLLING: K.G., wrong to put my faith in Goodell and the league?
GUILFOYLE: Yes. It's a very strong statement. I think he probably regrets that he didn't come out in support of his quarterback right away to begin with. Because now it's a very serious precedent has been established. And you've heard Tom Brady kind of echo those statements, saying he's going to fight this, because he doesn't want another player to be subjected to what he sees as sort of like this, you know, witch hunt kangaroo court to begin with.
BOLLING: What do you say, Jules?
ROGINSKY: Yes, look, Roger Goodell makes no sense to me. Ray Rice, is that his name? Virtually two games. And this jerk, for allegedly deflating balls, gets twice that amount? I mean, that makes no sense to me. Where are the priorities here?
Although I will say Tom Brady running his cell phone over with a car or destroying his cell phone, that's a little coincidental.
BOLLING: Dana, Tom Brady claims that after he did this. He destroyed his cell phone after his lawyers contacted the investigators and the investigators said, "Go ahead. Do your thing."
PERINO: I think the investigators are going to have to say what did they tell him? Did they say it's OK to destroy your phone? Did they encourage him to destroy the phone? It all sounds fishy from top to bottom on both sides.
BOLLING: What do you say?
GUTFELD: I notice there's an interesting fact here. There's an amazing two-month gap in Brady's texts that coincide with Benghazi terror attacks. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. That's Hillary Clinton. Never mind.
BOLLING: All right. On that note, that leads us to this one. Go ahead, give me a script. There you go.
Finally this, Benghazi. The Michael Bay film called "13 Hours" is based on an acclaimed moment-by-moment account from I believe it's author Mitchell Zuckoff...
PERINO: Yes.
BOLLING: ... if I'm not mistaken. The Paramount film will premiere in January, giving us plenty of time to speculate on how much Hollywood will spin the Benghazi facts to fit the liberal narrative.
Here's the first trailer for "13 Hours."
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's under attack. It's under attack.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's go. We got to move!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You've got to get out of here soon, or you're all going to die.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is the U.S. ambassador at risk?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The ambassador is in his safe haven.
You're not the first responders. You're the last resort. You will wait.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: None of you have to go. But we are the only help they have.
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BOLLING: Now, of note, Dana, this film is going to premiere in January.
PERINO: 2016.
BOLLING: 2016. Also knee deep...
PERINO: Big weekend, Martin Luther King Jr. birthday weekend. A celebration -- a holiday in America. That's a big holiday for a big release. Michael Bay considered one of the best directors in Hollywood, and people are highly anticipating this movie.
I think one of the reasons that the book did so well is that it was told from the perspective of people who were on the ground, eyewitnesses, that did not have an ax to grind. And then the movie dramatizes that. So I think it will probably be a huge success.
BOLLING: Do you think it will be accurate? Greg, do you think it will be -- Michael Bay will be accurate to Michael -- Mitchell Zuckoff's account?
GUTFELD: It be viewed -- reviewed positively or negatively based not on the quality of the film but on the conclusions. And I'll tell you this. When this movie comes out, Hillary will blame this movie on a movie.
BOLLING: Very good.
GUILFOYLE: Suppress the video.
BOLLING: It's getting out in January of 2016. We're going to be knee-deep in some election processes.
GUILFOYLE: I think it's going to be interesting. I'm curious to see, like, if they're going to have, like, a picture like a Hillary Clinton in a sinister saying everyone stand down and on the phone. That would be something, wouldn't it? That's not going to happen.
ROGINSKY: Doesn't seem like liberal whitewash to me based on the clip.
BOLLING: Based on the clip. Wait to see.
ROGINSKY: All right.
BOLLING: "Zero Dark Thirty" ended up being a lot different from what we thought.
PERINO: But I think that Hollywood knows what movies are selling. What are the ones that did super well this year? "American Sniper."
GUILFOYLE: "American Sniper."
PERINO: And it surprised the mainstream media. Like, why does everyone like this movie? And Americans kept going to the movie. So Hollywood figures out the market, and the market wants to know what happened in Benghazi.
BOLLING: What was this? You just did something like this.
GUILFOYLE: "American Sniper," I was saying.
BOLLING: We've got to roll. Ahead, did Chris Christie hurt his chances at winning the presidency with his new blunt warning? Blunt warning for pot users in America? You'll hear it next.
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SHEPARD SMITH, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: There is breaking news now on FOX News Channel. I'm Shepard Smith on the FOX News desk and this just in -- in to us from the Associated Press.
You may have heard, they found a piece of a plane on an island in the middle of the Indian Ocean. This brand-new from A.P. This piece of a plane is a piece of the same type that was Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a Boeing 777. It went down 508 days ago, 239 people on board. Now we know this piece of plane is that of a Boeing 777.
That's all we have at the moment. For now back to "The Five."
PERINO: All right. Actually I get mad at the paraphernalia of the drugs.
OK. A lot of voters who use recreational marijuana in states where it's legal, did Chris Christie just alert them not to vote for him? Listen.
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GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R-NJ), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm anti-marijuana. I believe it should still be illegal. And if I were president -- I said this last night in Keene -- if you're getting high in Colorado today, enjoy it until January of 2017. Because I will enforce the federal laws against marijuana as president of the United States.
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PERINO: OK. So I'm from Colorado. And I asked four people today that I know there what they thought about this. I got four different answers. One woman said, "He's just won my vote."
Another one said, there's a call, growing call for a repeal vote, and there's going to be more on that soon.
Third one says it's a terrible idea if he wants to win the state of Colorado.
And the fourth one said, "Hands off. We voted for it. We don't need a northeastern liberal -- northeastern governor." She did say liberal. They said liberal. I know he's not liberal, but that's what they think. New England liberal to tell us what to do. So...
GUILFOYLE: But he's telling it like it is.
PERINO: Do you think so?
GUILFOYLE: Well, that's what his slogan says. No, but he is. He's saying, "Look, these are" -- I understand where he's coming from. He's a prosecutor. You know, you can like switch jobs, whatever. Once you're prosecutor, you're a prosecutor.
And he's saying that he would respect the rule of law. If the law changes, then he would enforce that law. That's an oath that you take. I'm into that aspect of it. And I understand, like OK, all the states they make the different -- but then the federal law's got to be changed so that there's uniformity. Otherwise his obligation is to enforce it.
ROGINSKY: Let me tell you something about prosecutor Chris Christie and the rule of law in his home state of New Jersey.
They legalized, New Jersey, medical marijuana. It is legal. Governor Christie has done everything possible to prevent medical marijuana from being implemented. There is a little girl who gets some sort of medical marijuana oil that was going to prevent her from having seizures. He prevented her from doing that. She had to move to Colorado. Her family had to pick up and move across the country in order to get this treatment that is legal in New Jersey, that governor Christie, who claims to enforce laws, did everything that he could to prevent that from happening.
He's a hypocrite. If he wants to talk about states' rights, he should talk about New Jersey and what New Jersey has done.
GUTFELD: The upshot is they moved from New Jersey to Colorado.
ROGINSKY: Don't you go negative on New Jersey, Gutfeld. We can talk about...
GUTFELD: No, I love Colorado.
ROGINSKY: You and I can talk about abortion, but don't you ever go negative on the Garden State of New Jersey.
PERINO: There's an issue that you've been talking about since Colorado was even thinking about passing this law, which is that, if the state passes it but the federal government doesn't, then it's in conflict, almost like sanctuary cities, actually.
BOLLING: Exactly like sanctuary cities. In fact, we've asked every single presidential hopeful when they join us on "The Five," "What are you going to do about marijuana, where the feds -- it's still little illegal on the federal level, but these states are not only decriminalizing it; legalizing them. And it's a huge conflict."
And the ones who are truly fundamental (ph). The ones that are truly states' rights will say, "You know what? You have to decriminalize this."
Chris Christie, I don't know what he -- why would he do this? Where's the up side to alienating a swing state?
PERINO: Well, I will tell you, though, that as I said, two of the people I talked to said that they would have -- they would welcome this. And the governor himself...
BOLLING: They voted for legalization.
PERINO: I know they did. But Governor Hickenlooper -- I agree with you, and I don't think that it will work in Colorado. But even Governor Hickenlooper of Colorado told other governors last February at the annual meeting, "Go slow. I don't think we did this exactly right. And take it easy."
GUILFOYLE: Rick Perry mentioned that yesterday.
PERINO: That's true. And governors have maybe...
GUILFOYLE: Regretting it.
PERINO: ... different thought on that. What do you think, Gutfeld?
GUTFELD: I think he -- he's making a very astute strategic move. He's -- people against legalization tend to be older and more likely to vote. People who feel super strong about pot are usually too high to find the polling place.
But I still think he's wrong. No one can tell me about however I want to reach my oblivion. That's an adult decision that all adults should make.
But I do agree with you. I think he's Costner in "The Untouchables." He hates prohibition, and he's just doing his job.
GUILFOYLE: I think that's what he believes. I think he's being honest. Not trying to be politically expedient and take the state of Colorado.
(CROSSTALK)
ROGINSKY: He says -- he's doing this so we can talk about him, because I there's debate next week.
PERINO: I mean, wow, it is like -- you hate him.
ROGINSKY: Because he's so hypocritical about this.
GUILFOYLE: What was the name of the little baby girl that you said that he murdered almost because he wouldn't give her marijuana oil?
ROGINSKY: I will tweet out the name. It's a horrible story.
GUILFOYLE: That could be a legal issue.
ROGINSKY: A horrible story.
GUILFOYLE: We better make sure it's accurate.
PERINO: Eric, do you have a last one?
BOLLING: I wonder why he's doing it. It doesn't -- it's no win for him. He's trying to get on the debate stage right now. He's going to push him - - look, Chris Christie has a lot of positives. One of them is not his fight with the libertarian people.
PERINO: And there are more libertarians in Colorado than maybe ever.
GUILFOYLE: And one at the table.
GUTFELD: And Liberia.
PERINO: A couple in my family.
OK. Does the word "American" offend you? The liberal P.C. Police are now trying to ban it. Hear why when "The Five" returns.
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ROGINSKY: It's a great thing to be an American, but the word "American" is problematic, according to a guide book posted on the University of New Hampshire's web site.
The bias-free language guide advises against using the word "American" so as not to exclude south and central Americans. The president of the university says it isn't campus policy, but the school isn't taking the page down.
I don't even understand how this exists in America today. I think it's completely a violation of the First Amendment, and people should be as offensive as they want to be because that's their right. What do you think, Greg?
GUTFELD: The most problematic word in America is the word "problematic." It's a wuss word used by people to silence language without actually saying that they want to silence you. They don't want to go full fascist. That go, "Well, that's really problematic."
I have a theory that people that want to control words will never ever try to break up, like, a fight on a subway. They will never confront an aggressive person on the bus. They prefer their fights to be like this because it's easy.
ROGINSKY: Yes, Dana, isn't this just going insanely too far with the P.C. police?
PERINO: Well, when I first read it, I thought -- you know the term "click bait." I feel like it was, like, "FOX News bait" so people are coming up with these crazy things just to see if we'll, like, actually do a story about them. But apparently it is real.
ROGINSKY: Yes. Eric.
BOLLING: So senior citizens, offensive; homosexual is offensive. Poor, rich, are offensive.
ROGINSKY: Healthy.
BOLLING: Healthy.
GUTFELD: Healthy?
BOLLING: Healthy offensive. So if you're an African-American, what are you supposed to do on that campus?
ROGINSKY: I'm not really sure. I'm not really sure what they were doing in the first place. Kimberly, legal to...?
GUILFOYLE: Yes, I think it's terrible. We have kids being educated in these days. And it's like everybody worried about trigger words or things might be offensive. Someone needs to, like, go have counselling because somebody used the word "American." I mean, it makes no sense to me. It really doesn't. Like, there's so much else wrong in the world. And these people just seem to be cowards and just like, you know, semantic bullies. They're lame.
GUTFELD: Nice, semantic bullies.
ROGINSKY: I agree. They are semantic bullies. "One More Thing" is up next.
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GUTFELD: "One More Thing," Dana.
PERINO: OK. So Dr. Ben Carson, you know, he's running for president. And The I.J. Review, which is a great site I recommend you take a look at, last week we showed you a video they did with Lindsey Graham ruining his cell phone a la Tom Brady. Here's Dr. Ben Carson doing something he does best.
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DR. BEN CARSON (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I've had an opportunity to assess the patient. It appears that he's in critical condition. If we take those organs out, maybe we can get to a fresh start.
Well, let's start with this inflamed heart. We might as well go through the head. I suspect that his diet has been inappropriate.
The patient has been cured. I think Obama care probably would require a large deductible.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PERINO: I like it because, you know, it gives him a chance to show a little personality.
GUTFELD: When I see a doctor putting on gloves...
PERINO: You get nervous?
GUILFOYLE: You have so many things wrong with you in the lower half. That's a problem.
GUTFELD: Just makes me sad. Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Ben Carson is amazing, and so are the doctors at this children's hospital in Philadelphia. Take a look at this sweet little boy. He's eight years old. His name is Zion Harvey. And when he was two years old, he suffered a horrific infection that caused the removal of his arms and his feet. He has prosthetic legs. And earlier this month he received -- he's the first child to receive, in the world actually, to receive a dual hand transplant.
PERINO: Amazing.
GUILFOYLE: So his whole family was there. He had a great little statement for them. Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ZION HARVEY, TRANSPLANT PATIENT: I want to thank you guys. Thank you for helping me through this bumpy road.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: And he wants a little puppy. I hope he gets one. He wants to play with his little sister, as well.
GUTFELD: Eric.
BOLLING: OK. The K.C. Royals, best record in the American League. Here's partly why. Bottom of the ninth last night, 2-1 the Royals are up. Check out this. Watch.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good slider. Fastball.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Up the middle. Infante to Escobar. Unbelievable! Are you kidding me?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: That's a 4-6-3 put out. Pretty amazing ball.
PERINO: What?
BOLLING: Four-six-three.
PERINO: Explain that to me afterwards.
BOLLING: Afterwards.
PERINO: OK.
BOLLING: That guy can put out. Hey, Julie.
ROGINSKY: Yes. This is an amazing story. A Florida man unearths gold coins from a 1715 shipwreck. It's just incredible. He found 51 gold coins, 40 feet of gold chain, and a rare coin called the tricentennial royal, which is minted for the king of Spain. It is absolutely unbelievable, a month ago, that they were able to find this so many centuries later.
GUTFELD: You know what he did? He went to the local bank and just put it in the change machine, and he got $8. That's for him.
PERINO: A lot of gold.
GUTFELD: Yes. All right.
Yay, William Devane. I'm William Devane.
GUILFOYLE: Where is he? I love William Devane.
GUTFELD: "Hannity," I'm on at 8 p.m. tonight. It's a good show. "Special Report" is up next.
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