This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 19, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Julie Roginsky, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
With the ISIS threat widening, terrorism is front and center on the minds of Americans. The percentage who named it as the most important problem we face is at its highest level in five years. So, if the 2016 election were held tomorrow, would it come down to foreign policy? Likely, according to Charles Krauthammer and Ron Fournier.
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CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: This going to be one of those rare presidential runs in which foreign affairs is one of the dominant issues. We are at one of the lowest ads, in terms of our standing in the world, the trust of our allies and the fear of our enemies. That is a very ripe field for the Republicans.
RON FOURNIER, NATIONAL JOURNAL COLUMNIST: Charles is right. This is going to be a foreign policy election, I think it's going to be really tough for Hillary given her last job.
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PERINO: All right Greg, did --
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GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Just.
PERINO: Do you think that we said that before they did?
GUTFELD: I think so. Look, there is no -- we know this. This is the issue that matters. There is no room for Liberalism and foreign policy. Foreign policy is a cage fight. So there's fluffy toys, like amnesty, universal healthcare, childhood nutrition, those do not win wars and they do not protect you. What protects you is the cold, brutal hammer of the greatest killing machine that has ever been created, and that is our military and we need to let the world know that we are back and better than ever. This is an opportunity for the goofiest and gallant comparison. The White House is goofus.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: There goes that.
GUTFELD: The Republican candidates are gallant. Is that the way to say -- yeah.
PERINO: Gallant, gallant.
GUTFELD: You look at ISIS, it's bombs versus proms. You look at Marie Harf. It's just -- it's -- there's no comparison. So what we need now is, we need the adult the room, our president is chill, we need to have will.
GUILFOYLE: But we can't swap them out and some kind of like, presidential country international swap. And even if we put Marie Harf and Jen Psaki in cameo (ph), there still not going to get the message right. That's the problem. We're sort of stuck with this. This is the horse we rode in on. So, what do we do about it now? Only people get vocal and try to motivate the leaders, especially the president, to embrace the language to say Islamic extremism, not just violent extremism. That's like a Solomon split the baby thing that he is doing. But, we need to focus on ISIS and in fact, destroying them completely. Not these semantic gymnastics of hickory and destroy.
PERINO: Eric, at the top of the list still, for the biggest concerns in gallant was the -- government dysfunction and the economy. It's just that this issue of foreign policy is now the highest that has been since 2010. Do you think that will continue for the next couple of years?
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yeah, I think. Well, clearly, this isn't going to be over any time soon. But so, the -- Obama administration has had no policy, has no strategy, they decide that they're going to put - - let's call it together a strategy. Get this, today the AP announced -- the AP reported that the White House announced the strategy for the summer. They're going to send 12 brigades of Iraqi soldiers, up to 20,000 soldiers to go fight ISIS, and they said they're going to start in April or May, and if the 12 brigades aren't ready to fight in April or May, that may actually be delayed. So, they went from no strategy to developing a strategy and then sending them the playbook. This -- what -- who are the people who are putting these ideas on paper, sitting around a table going, let's do this now, let's tell the world what we're going to do.
GUILFOYLE: Right. I --
BOLLING: We tell ISIS exactly when we are going to hit them. This is just unbelievable.
GUILFOYLE: It's like the hangover and can't function.
JULIE ROGINSKY, GUEST CO-HOST: Well, I just want to clear. He does want to go start invading countries? Is that what you advocating? I don't understand. Because, if you're talking about just going in --
PERINO: He's a strong man. Where's the strong man?
GUTFELD: Is that either/or?
ROGINSKY: It has to be.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
ROGINSKY: Right? It has to be. We choose --
GUTFELD: One or the other.
ROGINSKY: Well, because what you just said, asking Greg actually. Because with what you said, you sort of, you want to go in, you want a killing machine -- alright, we're going to go -- we're going to back to Iraq, we're going to take our military, which we all know is a little tired, take them back to Iraq.
GUILFOYLE: Well, I don't think they tired, no.
GUTFELD: I don't think they tired.
ROGINSKY: You don't think they are tired after 10 years of war?
GUILFOYLE: I think no.
GUTFELD: No.
GUILFOYLE: I think they're robust and.
ROGINSKY: All right.
GUILFOYLE: Ready to serve and go back in.
ROGINSKY: So we're going to -- fine, great. OK, we're going to take them back to Iraq, they were going to put them in Syria, well might put them in Libya, where -- maybe Yemen.
GUILFOYLE: Whatever it takes.
ROGINSKY: Whatever it takes. We're not going to fight, just I would be clear. We're going to fight for it.
GUTFELD: I -- I like my lawyer.
ROGINSKY: I know.
(LAUGHTER)
GUTFELD: Answer for me.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. Because you're under the influence of a testosterone patch today and I like it.
(LAUGHTER)
GUTFELD: No, I'm -- I actually do believe, and I talk to people in the military, that boots on the ground is necessary. When you're dealing with what we will call an existential or apocalyptic evil.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
GUTFELD: Perhaps, I think what you're guilty of is -- I wouldn't call it ocean privilege, because you're here, you don't have to face the evil. In the night -- you know, if we had the same mentality with Nazi Germany, we wouldn't have fought them either, because it's far away.
ROGINSKY: Well, Nazi Germany declared war on us.
GUTFELD: Fight --
ROGINSKY: Just be clear on that.
GUTFELD: Yes, fight. Fight over there --
ROGINSKY: And they're ally and attacked us.
GUTFELD: But -- well, I think ISIS declared war.
GUILFOYLE: Well, ISIS -- yeah.
ROGINSKY: No, no, no. But ISIS -- let me just be clear about this --
GUTFELD: They've never declared war --
ROGINSKY: No, no. no. Let me just to be clear --
GUILFOYLE: They send beheading in Taliban. Did they not?
ROGINSKY: Let me, let me, let me be clear about this, what you're advocating -- I'm just -- I'm trying to get this straight.
GUTFELD: Yes.
ROGINSKY: If you want to take the United States military, the four or five countries that I just mentioned, potentially also North Korea, which is developing, which has nuclear weapons, which may attack us or our allies. Potentially, also Ukraine our ally --
(CROSSTALK)
ROGINSKY: So now --
GUTFELD: So I'm going from ISIS to -- I want to bomb North Korea.
ROGINSKY: Well, you just said --
GUTFELD: I want to bomb Ukraine.
ROGINSKY: You just wanna say -- you just -- no, I'm asking you.
GUTFELD: No, no, no. What I am saying is right now, we have a White House that looks really, really weak, because we are telling -- like Eric said, we are telling our enemies what we won't do. What I am saying is we need a powerful person in charge who says we are willing to fight, willing to fight, the word is will. We lack the will, not support.
ROGINSKY: So we are willing to fight and we're going to deploy and we're going to fight?
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GUTFELD: We have to -- that has to be on the table.
GUILFOYLE: It has to be on the table.
ROGINSKY: I'm sure it is on the table.
GUTFELD: We've taken everything off.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, Eric Bolling?
GUTFELD: The table including the table.
BOLLING: Can I throw one more option in there?
ROGINSKY: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: True.
BOLLING: Well, there are 400,000 available troops between the Iraqi army and Kurds were available right now.
ROGINSKY: Yup.
BOLLING: To fight this from the ground. We can step up an air campaign. In the first four or five weeks --
ROGINSKY: That's what we're doing.
BOLLING: Listen to this, in the first four or five weeks of the Iraq -- the Iraq war, we dropped -- we did 100,000 sorties in five weeks. We dropped 88,000 tons of bombs on Iraq --
ROGINSKY: OK.
BOLLING: On the enemy. We have done 2,500 or so in six months here. So we went from 2,000 a day to 2,000 in six months or eight or nine per day. There's plenty of room to step up the air campaign.
ROGINSKY: All right.
BOLLING: On the -- on the U.S. is back.
ROGINSKY: So --
BOLLING: And then get the Kurds and the Iraqis involved.
ROGINSKY: OK. And then.
BOLLING: That's another option.
ROGINSKY: And then my other question is obviously, after we do all of this, the Iranians who can be tremendously strengthened by the fact that their natural allies, their natural opponents, exceeds (ph) their people that were fighting.
BOLLING: It's -- it's unholy alliance.
ROGINSKY: So it's unholy alliance. So you're also advocating that we have an alliance with Iran?
GUTFELD: Wait, what are you advocating?
PERINO: Do you realize --
GUTFELD: What are you advocating?
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ROGINSKY: It's not what I'm advocating.
GUTFELD: Doing nothing?
ROGINSKY: No, no. It's not what I'm advocating.
GUTFELD: Got no problem?
ROGINSKY: No, no, no.
GUTFELD: You separate by oceans?
GUILFOYLE: Ocean privilege.
ROGINSKY: No, no. no. Listen.
PERINO: Can I tell you --
ROGINSKY: Can I tell you?
PERINO: Can I tell you what it is just happens?
GUTFELD: What?
ROGINSKY: What?
PERINO: You fell for, with the liberals are going to do to every Republican candidate. What she just did is to say to you, so you're for invading.
GUTFELD: Exactly.
PERINO: Every country in the world. And you say, well, I guess -- and then you start answering them. OK. This is the problem with the president who always pro-creates the straw man. (ph) Every problem -- he looks in every problem around the world and says, I don't want -- I don't want to be Iraq, I don't want to be Afghanistan, as if there's no in between.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
PERINO: As if anybody is saying, please, Mr. President, we want you to send 100,000 troops in. No, what we would like is perhaps, maybe could step up the air campaign or, maybe let us know that you've sent special forces to Nigeria to back Boko Haram. Maybe let us know that there some other things that you could possibly do and -- sometimes you -- foreign policy needs to be aggressive, sometimes it needs to be cautious. Some people might say President Bush was too aggressive. Some people might say President Obama is giving caution a bad name. There is middle ground. There are circumstances, there's different ways that you can fight this. But don't, -- Republicans everywhere, do not fall for what Julie just tried to do.
ROGINSKY: You're such a child, you fell for it.
GUTFELD: The sneaky --
ROGINSKY: A guy --
GUTFELD: The sneaky devil.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
ROGINSKY: You fell for it.
GUILFOYLE: Just like get a little focus, a lateral at the table. The bottom line is we are focusing on ISIS and that is a real, credible threat that this moment in time. I'm not going to speculate about what we are going to do down the line with respect to foreign policy. What I do know, as Americans, we should say, it's all on the table, we're all-in, whatever it takes. Know that if you come against us.
ROGINSKY: Well, but here's what I want to stress. I want to stress -- I said this the other day, that if we do what you're advocating --
PERINO: She is doing again.
ROGISNKY: This requires.
PERINO: She just did it again.
ROGINSKY: No, no. Were trying (ph) but if -- you guys are -- listen, listen, this is serious. You guys are telling --
PERINO: I'm serious.
ROGINSKY: But I can't --
PERINO: I can't -- that cannot be the position --
ROGISNKY: But you're talking --
PERINO: Every Republicans want is --
ROGINSKY: No, I'm actually speaking regret (ph)--
PERINO: Advocating.
ROGISNKY: What you're -- what, what, what --
GUILFOYLE: Don't answer.
ROGINSKY: Don't answer. The lawyer is telling to you keep quiet.
GUILFOYLE: Don't let her pull your chain.
ROGINSKY: Look, if you're talking about going after ISIS, if you're talking about taking them on.
GUTFELD: Yes.
ROGINSKY: Every capacity. What you're talking about is committing.
GUTFELD: Yes.
ROGINSKY: United States military to a multi-decade, multi-front war. That's the only way to defeat them, boots on the ground --
PERINO: But what's the alternative?
GUTFELD: I like how you do it. So what you're saying is, forget -- forget this, just let it happen?
ROGINSKY: No.
GUTFELD: Is that what you are saying?
ROGINSKY: That's not what I'm saying.
GUTFELD: Is that what you are saying?
ROGINSKY: That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that --
GUTFELD: And what are you saying?
ROGINSKY: What I'm saying is if we are actually talking about this, let's be realistic, instead of throwing out jingoistic things. We got to go get them.
BOLLING: So go ahead. ROGINSKY: We got to go get them --
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GUTFELD: Got to like it.
PERINO: Then what's jingoistic? GUTFELD: Jingoistic.
ROGINSKY: No.
GUTFELD: Defending the country is jingoistic?
ROGINSKY: Wrong.
PERINO: That's a new one.
GUTFELD: Nice.
ROGINSKY: Wrong.
GUTFELD: It's nice.
ROGINSKY: Wrong. No, no. Excuse me.
BOLLING: So what -- what --
ROGINSKY: Talking -- probably wrong. BOLLING: What is the right strategy then?
ROGINSKY: So the right strategy -- I don't know what the right strategy is.
BOLLING: Well, there you go.
ROGINSKY: No, no. Actually, you know --
GUILFOYLE: There you go.
ROGINSKY: But you know what I'm talking -- you know what? Fill (ph) the right strategy because every single option is horrible.
PERINO: Well, right. And that's the point.
ROGISNKY: That's the point.
PERINO: And my point that these are much more -- these are the complex problems.
ROGINSKY: These are the new ones.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
PERINO: And here's -- so, here's a question that we will let Julie answer in a political fashion.
ROGINSKY: Yeah.
PERINO: Put your political strategy hat on. If foreign policy is going to be a determining factor in the election, how does Hillary Clinton then, who -- if the country is saying we want a new direction on foreign policy, since she was part of the old foreign policy.
ROGINSKY: Right.
PERINO: Then how does she take what she thinks is now arguably her best strengths, which is being secretary of state, and turn that into -- more of a strength for her or is it now her weakness?
ROGINSKY: Well, first of all, I think you're right. I think it is a challenge for her, and it is not something that she's going to be able to skate in on. I do think she's not running in a vacuum. And the problem for the Republican, it's going to be what should they espouse? And again, I keep going back to this, you can't talk about the fact that you want it. Just go in there --
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ROGINSKY: No, I'm not. You guys -- I'm not saying stepping issue. You're missing exactly what I am saying. She's going to be running against somebody who's going to have to take a position. Whether it's Rand Paul, who has a very different world view from a lot of his colleagues, or Ted Cruz, to sort of somewhere in the middle, or -- it's Jeb Bush, who I think is surrounding himself with his old -- with his brother's old advisers. They are different as you --
PERINO: As to Clinton -- isn't the frontliners? (ph)
ROGISNKY: I'm not -- I'm not --
PERINO: Because they were small foreign policy advisers.
ROGINSKY: I'm not criticizing him. I'm saying that --
PERINO: Oh, really? That wasn't a criticism?
ROGINSKY: No. It is actually, not a criticism.
PERINO: I would say that was a pretty bunch of shock.
ROGINSKY: No. Actually, it was criticism.
GUILFOYLE: He actually has a pretty diverse with ISIS.
ROGINSKY: No. With ISIS any (ph) --
GUILFOYLE: We can provide you with the list, with I'm not just from prior Bush's.
ROGINSKY: Fine.
GUILFOYLE: That's from --
ROGINSKY: Fine.
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ROGINSKY: What I'm suggesting is I just named three people who've got three different views on foreign policy in the Republican field.
PERINO: Well --
ROGINSKY: He's going to be running against one of them I suspect.
GUILFOYLE: Well, she can have to say --
PERINO: In Marco Rubio --
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
ROGINSKY: In Marco Rubio.
PERINO: Marco Rubio, Eric said that his foreign policy experience tops everyone else. So obviously, he thinks that, that's going to be a selling point. Because the Republicans who are bundling -- these are people that are trying to raise the money.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
PERINO: They are focused on foreign policies, very important to them. And so, they are asking those Republican candidates to tell them what they would do differently than Obama.
BOLLING: I -- I think foreign policy clearly is going to be one of the issues. Is it going to be the -- the biggest -- I go back to this, I think the economy is -- will still be the most important thing. Yes, it's important now -- right now because, because we are fighting ISIS, we don't know what we are doing, we're kind of fighting, we're kind of not fighting, we're telling we're fighting, then we're not, then we're hugging it out, we feel your pain ISIS -- which probably, because you don't have economic opportunity or jobs. I think eventually though, down the road, people are going to get back to, "How can I make life better for my family?"
GUILFOYLE: That's all is going to matter though.
BOLLING: Safety is number one.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
BOLLING: But once we establish.
GUILFOYLE: No, the economy goal is going to matter.
BOLLING: At least we can handle what's going on Middle East, then you get back to -- How do I -- how do I -- how can I buy a nicer car? How can I get a little -- make my kids a little more comfortable.
PERINO: It's middle class -- middle class wages. And you know who talked about that last night is the possible candidate, Mike Huckabee, he was o on Megyn Kelly's show last night, and he said -- he actually was in a poll yesterday at the top spot and he said, it's because I'm focusing on what people care about, which is the economy and how to improve and increase middle class wages.
GUTFELD: I don't know about that. He also talk the --
PERINO: Well, he did say that.
GUTFELD: Yes, but you know, he also talked about Beyonc,. This is a perfect opportunity to ignore the stuff that gets you into trouble. So if you're -- you have to be a candidate and not a commentator, which means you don't have to have opinions on sillier stuff. You should focus on the fact that there is ISIS and there is an economy. The best metaphor right now in my mind is that, it's adult swim. All the children have to get out of the pool. This White House is a bunch of kids that have been playing in the pool for six -- for six years --
GUILFOYLE: Peeing there.
GUTFELD: Peeing in the pool.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
GUTFELD: It's time for them to get out.
GUILFOYLE: Peeing.
GUTFELD: Get out, they've done nothing. They've done -- but give people ECOLA. So you could talk about childhood obesity all you want and teen smoking, but save that for next year.
ROGINSKY: School lunches.
GUTFELD: And focus on -- ISIS and getting rid of probably the biggest -- international challenge that we have seen in decades.
ROGINSKY: I look forward to hearing you how intend to do that --
GUTFELD: I think I have made it pretty clear.
ROGINSKY: No you haven't, actually.
GUTFELD: I think would -- I think --
PERINO: OK. I got to go.
GUILFOYLE: I believe my client did not subtler when he laid down his plant.
GUTFELD: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. GUTFELD: I think I was quite clear. And by the way, you were wearing red again.
ROGINSKY: I'm not. You're so color blind. This is like a salmon in color, it's not red.
GUTFELD: Yeah, and you are Russian.
ROGINSKY: I am.
GUTFELD: Yes. So --
ROGISNKY: Are you married to a Russian?
GUTFELD: Yes. But that's -- ROGINSKY: Welcome -- welcome to the family.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: All right. We're going to on to the B block, because we have more to talk about. Rudy Giuliani and Ted Cruz take on President Obama's foreign policy, up next.
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BOLLING: Rudy Giuliani loves America. No doubt about that. When he was asked about President Obama at a dinner last night, here's what he said, quote, "I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America. He doesn't love you. He doesn't love me. He wasn't brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country." Well, the progressive beehive was a buzzing after those remarks. So the mayor, hit the curvy couch this morning to further explain his thoughts.
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RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: I'm not questioning his patriotism. He is a patriot, I'm sure. What I'm saying is that in his rhetoric, I very rarely hear him say the things that I used to hear Ronald Reagan say, the things I used to hear Bill Clinton say about how much he loves America. I do hear him criticize America much more often than other American presidents. And when it's not in the context of an overwhelming number of statements about the exceptionalism of America, it sounds like he is more of a critic than he is a supporter.
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BOLLING: All right. We're going to bring it around the table now. So, K.G., where do you stand on the comments? Start with that?
GUILFOYLE: Freedom of speech. God bless America.
GUTFELD: I'm against that.
GUILFOYLE: I knew it. We have to coach you more later. I think that he has clarified himself well today, understand what he had to say. I think he was speaking from the heart, he was being very truthful about what he believes and his perception. When you look at the -- I guess the body of rhetoric coming from the White House and from the president. One could, even just from a statistical perspective, come down on the side and say, there are more comments that are critical of this country, of our military engagements, of some of what he believes is our foreign policy overreach, than there are comments that praise Americans. There's more things that he points to that divide us. When you look at Ferguson, things like that. So, I understand where he is coming from. And, you know perhaps, you know, in his heart, the president has, you know, I think a different ideology and viewpoints than many Americans.
BOLLING: Julie, immediately, Twitter went crazy over those comments.
ROGINSKY: Right.
BOLLING: And the left all day on -- the MSNBC, they were just picking Giuliani apart. Where -- are you OK with a man saying what he said? He came from here, right?
ROGINSKY: He can say whatever he wants. I mean, I think it's completely disrespectful to the office of the presidency to say the president hates America. I would never --
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ROGINSKY: OK. He doesn't love America -- I'm so -- well, OK. Listen, I would never say that about any Republican president even though I don't agree with his policies. And this whole otherness thing with Obama, I mean, he's not like us, he wasn't raised like us -- come on -- stop speaking in code, that's insane. Don't say that about somebody. He wasn't raised like you hear Rudy Giuliani, no. He wasn't raised --
BOLLING: I'm sure that's a dog whistle.
ROGINSKY: Oh, stop it.
BOLLING: I'm not sure that's a dog --
ROGINSKY: Oh, stop it.
BOLLING: Honest about -- OK. --
GUTFELD: Well, it's a dog, but he ate (ph)
ROGINSKY: You know.
GUILFOYLE: But that was in his book.
ROGINSKY: That is absolutely disrespectful to the office if not to the man.
BOLLING: OK.
GUTFELD: Eating a dog?
ROGINSKY: But that's who -- no, eating a dog was actually great. It's a lot --
BOLLING: Where -- where the -- I'm not sure where you're going to fall on this one.
GUTFELD: Me?
BOLLING: Yeah.
GUTFELD: OK. Giuliani is right and he's wrong. He is right that Obama came actually from a place, academia that is hyper critical of the west.
PERINO: Correct.
GUTFELD: We know that he's the first president ever to deconstruct our country like it was a Hemingway novel in you know, freshman English. That's how he looks at it. That's how he looks at it. However, he has made speeches where he has talked of America's strength and bravery as a president. The same way he spoke out against gay marriage. So the question is do you believe him when he says these things or is this a role that the president plays because he is he the president? Once a grad student, always a grad student and I wonder when he no longer needs to play this role, will he still play these things? But, we don't know his intent. I prefer to think that he does love this country, not as much as me though, never.
BOLLING: Now -- now Dana --
GUILFOYLE: That love is intense.
BOLLING: Your thoughts on this -- in a heads up, everyone. Giuliani -- Mayor Giuliani will be on Megyn Kelly tonight. So, whatever you say he might be listening.
PERINO: That's good. So, we need -- let me take it from a slightly different angle. When you are in the media world or in politics, one of the things you get is a lot of feedback, right? And sometimes you get feedback from people, fans or viewers and they might say, for years, have said Obama hate this country, you know. And those were kind -- those are kind of comment I always -- just delete it or put to the side and never responded to them. I would say that in the last six months, increasingly so around the national prayer breakfast speech, more and more people with increasing frequency, saying similar types, that they not - but he hates America, but he doesn't love this country. And there is something to be said I think about the language that President Obama uses.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
PERINO: Is different than we have heard in modern times of a president using.
GUILFOYLE: And a greedy (ph)
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PERINO: That is different and there are -- they have to -- I think that what Giuliani was probably doing is reflecting about people who are telling him that --
ROGINSKY: People that get off Twitter then.
PERINO: I'm not saying is on Twitter, I'm saying is increase in the volume and from people who had been.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
PERINO: Pretty level headed up to now.
GUILFOYLE: Not just on social media, across the board.
BOLLING: When America is being attacked, being beheaded, and the response from the White House is let's find the root cause why they are killing us, that outrages a lot of people, and make --
ROGINSKY: I'm sorry it does.
BOLLING: Question his love of the country.
GUILFOYLE: Eric.
BOLLING: If someone were killing your family, would you wonder -- I wonder what's causing that person to kill my mother?
PERINO: Eric --
BOLLING: Or would you go, I'm --
ROGINSKY: I --
BOLLING: Ticked off at that? I want - I want to get them to stop.
ROGINSKY: I oppose the --
GUILFOYLE: I'm not to anyone (ph)
ROGINSKY: I oppose the war in Iraq in 2003. I thought it was absolutely the wrong policy, could not have agreed with it -- disagreed with it any more. However, I never thought George Bush hated America. I'd never --because I disagreed with his policy.
PERINO: But why would anybody have ever suggested that he hated America?
ROGINSKY: You know why would they? And why would they ever suggest this is just about Barack Obama? I don't know --
PERINO: But know to do that?
ROGINSKY: I don't know --
GUILFOYLE: No one ever brought that up.
ROGINSKY: you know?
PERINO: But no.
ROGINSKY: But why?
BOLLING: To search for a root cause why ISIS is terrorizing --
GUILFOYLE: Wont question of his love of America.
BOLLING: The beheadings of Americans.
ROGINSKY: Because Obama hates America, that's why they are doing it?
BOLLING: No you're saying -- hey, no -- Giuliani didn't say --
GUILFOYLE: Didn't say that.
BOLLING: We're saying, hey --
ROGINSKY: I know.
BOLLING: We're saying there's a different affected for the country --
GUTFELD: You know what it is? President Obama has a superiority complex. He thinks he's better than everybody else. It's not the about love or hate of a country it is the idea that he knows that we're primitive, that we suffer from Islamophobia, that we cannot control our own emotions after there is a terror attack, perhaps we might go come out against people. That there's always this threat of backlash in America, because we are just -- were just not as cool as he is.
GUILFOYLE: That's why he's in public --
GUTFELD: I think that's -- that's a part of it.
BOLLING: We can't understand the nuance of --
GUTFELD: Yeah, exactly.
ROGINSKY: Are you guys -- are you guys like psychoanalyzing Barack Obama right now? Because that's what you are doing?
GUILFOYLE: Well, that is the segment.
GUTFELD: Why would you ask that question?
ROGINSKY: I mean, I don't know.
PERINO: You put him on the couch?
GUILFOYLE: Right here. That's the block.
ROGINSKY: Because what I don't understand is why you're taking all these assumptions. You obviously disagree with his policies, you disagree with his rhetoric. But you can't deduce from those two things that he doesn't love America. He's the president of the United States. What is he Manchurian Candidate? Is that other explanation?
(CROSSTALK)
GUTFELD: A new character.
(CROSSTALK)
ROGISNKY: What's the -- what's the alternative? What are you guys suggesting that if he doesn't love America, he was sent here by the Soviet of rather Chinese to infiltrate our country?
BOLLING: Even better.
ROGINSKY: What are you guys --
BOLLING: Never thought of that.
ROGINSKY: What are you guys implying? I don't understand -- that's craziness.
BOLLING: All right, we got to go. He won't take a stand against Islamic terrorism, but President Obama will target those who don't believe in climate change. That's up next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GUTFELD: It's been a great moment for evil, a lousy one for good. The left of course won't let that hamper true battle, one that pits the saints of the green movement against the sinners of the west. In the midst of genocide, the president's OFA account actually tweeted this, "Too many lawmakers still deny the science of climate change. Call them out now." Yep, let's call out those evil climate haters, not those Islamic terrorists. As a heated globe now trumps a pilot in flames, we see selfie sticks, hash tags and adolescent callout tweets. This isn't a White House; it's a junior high slumber party. Maybe they can crank-call Jeb Bush or T.P. Scott Walker's house. They can make s'mores with tofu instead of marshmallows.
Oddly, global warming is now more important than fighting Islamic terror, because eliminating radical Islam won't fix the real evil, which, of course is capitalism. As the executive secretary of the U.N. framework convention on climate change said, "This is probably the most difficult task, to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history."
Well, she's wrong; it's happened before. See Mao and the 50 million dead, or Stalin. Hell, look at Venezuela right now. It's a crap show without toilet paper. Seriously. They don't have toilet paper in Venezuela. But whatever you do, don't look at ISIS, because if you can't blame that on us, what's the point?
All right, Julie or Julia, as I like to call you, Julia.
ROGINSKY: Yes.
GUTFELD: Global warming scare about reversion the most successful engine of economic development ever. You said that to me in the green room earlier, and I agree.
ROGINSKY: You shouldn't tell people that. You're going to ruin my whole racket.
GUTFELD: Yes.
ROGINSKY: You'll never invite know sit back in Beckel's chair now.
Listen, global warming, whether you believe it's manmade or not -- I do, other people don't, but it is happening, and it is going to affect people more and more. It's actually very tied into terrorism, because as people fight over natural resources more and more, and they will continue to be. In the next 10 years, you're going to have people -- more than half the world's population fighting over water resources.
GUTFELD: Yes.
ROGINSKY: That's going to lead to violence. The root cause.
GUTFELD: Yes, that's why the planes flew into building on 9/11, because -- one of the reasons...
PERINO: Because in 60 years, they're going to be fighting over water resources.
ROGINSKY: Ten years, actually. They're already fighting over it now. You don't see this?
GUILFOYLE: You jumped the shark over Beckel and Juan. Let me tell you, that was like "Woo."
(CROSSTALK)
ROGINSKY: But you guys don't see this? There are resources out there that are being affected by global warming, and as a result, people are going to be more and more going to war over...
GUTFELD: I need -- I would love to see science here more than the opinion.
ROGINSKY: Let me prove it. I will give it to you right now.
Thank you for asking, Greg, because I have it right here. I came prepared, my friend. International climate change task force, co-chaired by Senator Olympia Snowe of Maine, a Republican.
GUTFELD: Her name's Snowe.
ROGINSKY: Yes, Snowe. A Republican. Let me stress again, a Republican. Said the single most important long-term issue that the planet faces is climate change. Long term.
GUTFELD: And what is her evidence?
ROGINSKY: Her evidence is...
GUTFELD: You give me a quote that validates yours.
ROGINSKY: I will give you -- it's all this. You want me to read this? It's in, like, six-point font, a little hard for me to read right now.
GUTFELD: Summarize it. Here, let me go to somebody else.
ROGINSKY: I will summarize it.
GUTFELD: While you study your stuff and then come back.
All right, Dana, interesting fact here. The fed spends 14 times more on green energy per year than embassy security. That's 39 billion versus 2.7 billion. That's pretty amazing.
PERINO: I like the idea of green energy. I mean, I'm for all sorts of types of energy. Look what just happened to the Democratic governor of Oregon.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: Why did he have to resign? Because the green lobby had gotten in cahoots with some corruption, with his fiance, who was getting contracts, and it all gets convoluted. So I'm for more green energy; that's great. But at the expense of...
ROGINSKY: That works.
PERINO: What is the policy that they're putting forward? OFA, Obama for America, wants to call every Republican congressman to call them out.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: OK, but then to do what? What is the policy prescription that they are advising? The U.N. is saying end capitalism. I don't see how that actually ends global warming.
GUTFELD: Yes. No, it's ridiculous. What was about better before capitalism? They never figured that out, Eric.
BOLLING: And I'm with Dana. Green energy is fantastic, but let the free market dictate when it's ready. Not...
GUILFOYLE: So it will work.
BOLLING: The imbalance of free money, loans, grants.
GUILFOYLE: Solyndra.
BOLLING: Seven and a half billion dollars in Obama's budget for clean energy alone, on top of probably $150 billion over the last few years. And it's not working. Remember those million electric cars that were going to be on the road in America by 2015? Guess what? They missed it by about 95 percent.
GUTFELD: And you know, that's good news, because more people die because of electric cars than gas-powered automobiles. Fact.
BOLLING: But the bad news is that we spend $150 billion on a policy that failed. Let the free market figure it out. It always figures it out when it's time to figure it out.
GUILFOYLE: Right. So that it will actually work, versus just an exercise to show that we're all about the environment. Biggest this is actually just the biggest con job in history, if you look at it, right, about gaining control of world resources. It's about stifling capitalism. It's about Obama, their administration with Solyndra, getting paybacks for that.
And why we would we shift away from a capital-driven market? Why wouldn't we embrace the free market and privatize, and make sure that this stuff works instead of just throwing money at it when it's not working.
ROGINSKY: So do you guys also support getting rid of tax breaks and subsidies?
BOLLING: No, no. More tax breaks.
For everybody.
PERINO: For oil.
BOLLING: Exactly. Add tax breaks for oil.
(CROSSTALK)
ROGINSKY: So everybody, so for green companies, OK with subsidizing Solyndra.
BOLLING: You're not listening. Just listen. Yes, notice I didn't point out the tax credit.
Someone called you Juan in a skirt, I think.
ROGINSKY: Somebody did. Very flattering, thank you.
BOLLING: Didn't point out the tax breaks for clean energy. I'm fine with that. But add it to the oil companies. Let them have a say...
GUILFOYLE: Yes, otherwise, it's more wealth distribution and suppression of carbon-based fuel. That's what the con is about.
BOLLING: Picking and choosing the winners is what got several presidents in trouble.
PERINO: Yes.
GUTFELD: All right. We've got to move on.
Next, Jen Psaki just got a promotion to White House communications director. I'm very happy for her.
PERINO: Yay.
GUTFELD: We'll take a look back at some of her greatest hits ahead.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GUILFOYLE: Jen Psaki is leaving the State Department but not the administration. The spokeswoman just got a promotion to White House communications director, replacing Jennifer Palmieri in April.
Now you may remember Psaki as someone who's had some interesting exchanges with reporters.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JEN PSAKI, OUTGOING STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESWOMAN: I would argue the president doesn't give himself enough credit for what he's done around the world, that there have been, certainly, gains made by the Iraqi security forces. Sorry.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The president in his news conference raised some eyebrows bysaying that the victims of the shooting in Paris at the kosher deli were random.
PSAKI: Well, as you know, I believe if I remember the victims specifically, they were not all victims of one background or one nationality.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, those were her words. We can take it around the table, see what everyone thinks. Julie, we're going to give you the first bite at the apple here.
ROGINSKY: That's so nice. I think it is -- first of all, congratulations, Jen Psaki, on her promotion.
GUTFELD: Thank you.
ROGINSKY: Thank you for saying so, Greg. And I think that you can take any press secretary's words out of their mouth, and there are probably some unfortunate things. We've all said sometimes.
GUILFOYLE: Not Dana Perino.
ROGINSKY: Not Dana Perino, of course.
PERINO: You could definitely have done a lowlight reel of my work, absolutely. It's the toughest -- it's a tough job, and you're up there -- the only thing between you and the world is a podium, and there's not much protection. And you have to be knowledgeable about every subject at all times.
And I would say that -- I think this is a really big day for her. It's a big day for the White House when you have a new communications director. There's renewed energy. The president obviously wanted to go with a safe pick. She's very loyal to him. And so he decided not go outside the box. He doesn't seem to be bothered; maybe he doesn't look at some of the criticism. But she is going to get criticism regardless.
I do think that one with of the things that will be good for her as a communications director is she's done the press secretary job, so therefore, when she's creating strategy, she's not going to give the press secretary something that is very difficult to work with. So I think it's good.
GUILFOYLE: What a positive, nice little package you put that in. That was good.
PERINO: All right.
GUILFOYLE: You have something different to say?
BOLLING: OK. So, I've met Jen Psaki a couple of times. She seems very capable. Here's the problem. Fine, you want to promote her to com director, that's fantastic. My problem is now what do you do with Marie Harf? Does she become State spokesperson? And I have a real problem.
But she may be very smart. I think she went to UVA. I believe she majored in poly sci. I get it, but man, if you're...
GUILFOYLE: So did three-quarters of America. Poly sci is, like, the default major.
BOLLING: No, no, but she went to UVA. I think she got her master's at a UVA, which is something to speak of. However, that doesn't mean she can talk to the people. She's not communicating, certainly not communicating with people like me and some of the people I talk to, who just don't get it when -- she just doesn't translate. So she -- if she's going to be the new State Department spokesperson...
GUILFOYLE: Failure to launch?
BOLLING: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
ROGINSKY: I think she went to William and Mary, by the way, not UVA. Close.
BOLLING: UVA grad school.
ROGINSKY: Oh, grad school?
GUILFOYLE: Grad.
Yes, go ahead, Greg.
GUTFELD: Jen Psaki, the "P" in her name is as silent as the Obama administration on Islamic radicalism.
GUILFOYLE: Nice.
GUTFELD: Thank you very much. According to the...
GUILFOYLE: My client, ladies and gentlemen.
GUTFELD: According to the State Department, this promotion will keep her from joining ISIS. Because you never know.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
GUTFELD: You know what I wonder? Does America...
GUILFOYLE: It was going so well.
GUTFELD: ... scare people anymore? Do they -- why does everybody working at the White House look like they should be doing tours at Universal Studios?
GUILFOYLE: Yes, exactly.
GUTFELD: Showing us the "Ghostbusters" play? I mean, everybody has to be approachable and pretty. They look -- they're all like commercial actors selling gum.
ROGINSKY: What are you implying about the Bush White House? Dana Perino was very approachable and pretty.
GUTFELD: I want hideous little men like me.
PERINO: Let me tell you, they were scared of me.
GUTFELD: They were. Oh, they were.
GUILFOYLE: She would frost them.
ROGINSKY: My point.
PERINO: I had a thing called the deep freeze.
GUILFOYLE: The deep freeze, yes.
PERINO: You could be in the deep freeze for years. And you know who you are.
GUTFELD: Wow.
ROGINSKY: Are they still in the deep freeze?
PERINO: There is one reporter who is still in the deep freeze, and he knows where -- who he is.
GUTFELD: I looked that up on Urban Dictionary. It's not what you think it is.
PERINO: Great, another thing I have to look up on Urban Dictionary.
GUILFOYLE: Thanks to this global warming, he'll thaw out eventually.
GUTFELD: Global warming, another thing on Urban Dictionary that means something else.
GUILFOYLE: I think that Jen Psaki, maybe she'll go on with M.K.
PERINO: She goes on Megyn Kelly and Shepard Smith a lot.
GUILFOYLE: I know. She does.
PERINO: I hope she continues, because I think it would be helpful.
GUTFELD: Did she ever thank you for the flowers?
PERINO: She did not.
GUTFELD: There you go. That's rude. No, it is. It's rude. You sent her flowers, and she didn't thank you. That's rude.
PERINO: Well, not today. I mean, this was a few years ago when she got the job at the State Department.
GUTFELD: It's been a couple...
PERINO: I think maybe she...
(CROSSTALK)
GUILFOYLE: All right. That's a wrap. Filibustering.
Coming up, why being attractive might actually be a bad thing. You ask, hmm. But only for you men out there. Details next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
ROGINSKY: New study reveals an ugly truth about being good-looking. Researchers found that attractive men are more inclined to be selfish and egocentric, but that's not the case when it comes to attractive women. Women with higher attractiveness scores were found to be just as generous and egalitarian as those with lower ones.
Greg, let me start with you, because obviously, as a super-attractive man, are you a selfish jerk because you're so good-looking? Is that what...
GUTFELD: It's why I give absolutely nothing to charity. The fact that you can see this for free, this is contribution enough to society.
GUILFOYLE: It really is.
GUTFELD: You look at this, this is worth every penny. I'll walk by people on the street and they go, "Spare any change?" And I go, "Heh-heh," and then they go, "Thank you. Thank you, sir. I'm going to take a shower and get a job. You've told me to do the right thing just by looking at your beautiful face."
PERINO: Wow.
ROGINSKY: Yes, you've proved that theory right.
Eric, I actually...
GUILFOYLE: As an unattractive male...
ROGINSKY: No, I'm actually going to go to you as a very attractive man. I had a friend -- this is going to be absolutely horrible, but he's a really attractive guy, and he would say that he would date women who had slight things wrong with them, because the women would try harder, which I thought absolutely the worst possible thing...
GUILFOYLE: Try harder in what way?
ROGINSKY: You can leave it to your imagination. I thought that was absolutely the worst...
BOLLING: This is a terrible...
ROGINSKY: Worst, horrible thing to say. This guy proved this theory's point. And you are obviously...
BOLLING: Yes, this guy; therefore, the theory must be right.
ROGINSKY: It's true.
PERINO: Well, then he hasn't met Adrienne, because...
GUILFOYLE: She is rocking.
BOLLING: I'm not -- the theory, this study does say that doesn't apply to women. How is it possible that only attractive men are selfish and egotistical, but attractive women are not? I find that -- I find this study flawed.
ROGINSKY: You object to it because it's talking about you as a very attractive man.
BOLLING: I don't object to the theory that attractive people may be more selfish.
GUILFOYLE: He knows he's attractive. He just says that he's not.
BOLLING: No, no, I'm not saying that. I think the theory would apply to women as well as men.
ROGINSKY: So Dana, I don't, you know -- I think women who are attractive actually are nice; and men who are attractive sometimes are not...
PERINO: You see that women win in any way?
ROGINSKY: Yes.
PERINO: I was thinking, you know, President Obama is very attractive. So, the study might hold...
GUTFELD: RINO!
GUILFOYLE: You and you and Gwyneth Paltrow.
GUTFELD: I missed the joke. I stepped on it.
PERINO: Egotistical and selfish and narcissistic.
GUTFELD: Sorry about that.
GUILFOYLE: That's just all. XM Five access to (ph).
ROGINSKY: You think this is unfair to men? In your experiences.
GUILFOYLE: I don't care if it's unfair to men, actually.
GUTFELD: You know what?
GUILFOYLE: They measured your body. This is how they decided it. They said that they measured for attractiveness predictors, including hip-to- waist ratio for women. And waist-to-chest for men.
GUTFELD: Hmm.
GUILFOYLE: So this is clearly -- thumbs up for this study.
GUTFELD: The more -- the more options you have...
ROGINSKY: I'm trying to think of other geography. So waist to chest, OK. All right.
GUTFELD: The more options you have, the more likely you're going to be selfish, because then you can pick and choose.
BOLLING: Greg, are you flexing your biceps?
GUTFELD: Yes, I am. I'm flexing.
GUILFOYLE: Because it is waist to chest for him.
GUTFELD: Waist to chest? That's all I have.
GUILFOYLE: Right. Abs of steel.
PERINO: I don't even have a waist. My ribs and my hip bone almost touch.
GUTFELD: Well, good for you.
PERINO: I'm really short.
ROGINSKY: So you're one of those women that he probably would have had to try a little harder with in the test, is that what you're implying?
No, I don't know. I think -- I think this is actually -- I think...
BOLLING: Time to go?
ROGINSKY: I think it's time to go.
GUILFOYLE: "Fifty Shades of Grey", right, when the Christian Grey guy goes for the sort of average lady?
ROGINSKY: Except "Fifty Shades of Grey," the guy, despite his craziness, I think was actually overly nice in his treatment of this girl.
GUILFOYLE: And perhaps charitable with all that money.
ROGINSKY: Yes.
GUTFELD: It's a beautiful thought.
ROGINSKY: Any way, on that note, this has petered out quickly.
"One More Thing" is up next.
GUILFOYLE: Ew.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing," and K.G. is first.
GUILFOYLE: Well, I've got something you're definitely going to want to check out tonight. "Strange Inheritance," 9 p.m. Eastern on the FOX Business Network. My good friend, Jamie Colby is the host of it. It's been a big success. And tonight it's particularly interesting, because Jamie meets a family who inherited rare letters that were written to their grandmother from a young John F. Kennedy, and they corresponded over the years. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I first looked at them, "Oh, wow," and promptly put them in a safe deposit box.
JAMIE COLBY, HOST, FOX BUSINESS NETWORK'S "STRANGE INHERITANCE" (voice- over): There they remained for the next quarter century. But a surprise phone call from a stranger will reignite this family's interest in their unique inheritance.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got on the phone and left this very strange message. Are you the nephew of P.T. 109 crew member Harold W. Marty?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: All right. So that episode ends in a high-stakes auction, tonight, 9 p.m. Eastern on FOX Business. And you can catch "Strange Inheritance" Monday through Thursday at 9 p.m. Be sure to check it out. And if you have some free time, you can check out "Hannity" tonight. I'm going to head over there.
PERINO: Oh, nice self-promotion.
GUILFOYLE: You know, we do what we can around here.
PERINO: You do, you do. I'm going to promote something that's not mine but something I really love. It's National Review. If you go to NationalReview.com, you're going to find a brand-new site. They just launched it today. Finally, the site quality matches the excellent writing quality that you can find there. I often talk about some of the people that you can read there, Rich Lowry, Jonah Goldberg, Kevin Williamson, Charlie Cook...
GUTFELD: Brad.
PERINO: ... Charles Cook, Mona Charen.
GUTFELD: Brad.
PERINO: Kathryn Lopez. I don't know Brad.
GUTFELD: You don't know Brad? You should check him out.
PERINO: OK. Maybe Brad is on that site. Anyway, go to NationalReview.com, check it out. It could be your new homepage. I go to it lots, and I love it.
GUILFOYLE: You love it.
PERINO: All right, Greg, you're next.
GUTFELD: Oh...
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: Greg's Secret to Happiness.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: All right.
GUILFOYLE: What a weirdo.
GUTFELD: Throughout life you often run into people, and you wonder, are they real or are they plastic? One way to figure that out...
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
GUTFELD: ... is when you're talking to them, they kind of let do you all the talking, like this young woman experienced when she mistook this person as a real person.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
(A PARAKEET MAKING NOISES AT A TOY CHICKEN)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: You mean a duck? Oh, it's a chicken.
GUTFELD: He thinks it's -- oh, there he is. And he comes back and he's like, "Hey, what's going on?" He's trying to get her to go out for drinks, but she's not -- she's not biting. And then he just takes her. I do not condone that, by the way; that's disgusting.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. You've going to have to go to sensitivity class now.
ROGINSKY: How do you find these things?
GUTFELD: I create them in my bedroom.
PERINO: All right. Eric Bolling.
BOLLING: OK. So Facebook has 1.4 billion regular users. China has 1.4 billion people, but China blocks Facebook. So, here's founder -- Facebook founder, Mark Zuckerberg.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MARK ZUCKERBERG, FACEBOOK FOUNDER: (SPEAKING CHINESE)
GRAPHIC: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) I hope the year of the sheep brings you happiness, fulfillment and joy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PERINO: Impressive.
BOLLING: And he did that for 30 minutes, and he's trying to get China to open up their walls to Facebook.
PERINO: That's dedication.
BOLLING: Yes.
PERINO: Julie, you're next.
ROGINSKY: So Dr. Seuss has a new book out, which I'm very excited about, because I have a little kid at home. It's called "What Pet Should I Get." And his widow, Audrey, and (UNINTELLIGIBLE) and his long-time secretary found it in -- found the manuscript, which I think is amazing. And I can't wait to read it, and I hope everybody who has got little kids...
GUTFELD: Obama has got a book "What Pet Should I Eat" coming out in a month?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He does. Why? Why?
(CROSSTALK)
PERINO: Set your DVRs, so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.
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